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mgoodbar · 02-06-2012, 05:32 PM

A ported stock pump is fine.... you only need 10 psi per 1000 rpm..... so 25 to 30 psi when the engine is hot, is great.... your only turning under 1000 rpm at idle.

jeffny09 · 02-06-2012, 07:19 PM

Im not interested in keeping the stock pump to many problems.

ztsmith86 · 02-06-2012, 07:30 PM

The best thing to do is buy or make a ported stock oil pump. A Mellen high volume has 2 downfalls. 1 it will run your stock oil pan dry, unless you have purchase an aftermarket oil pan to go with it. 2 it will not work with a double roller timing chain, because the double roller will hit the inside of the pump. A high pressure pump will put extra strain on your rotating assemblies. The stock oil pumps are fine. Yes there has been a few failures, but consider this. If you installed 10's of thousands of high performance oil pumps you would also have a few failures. It's all relative to how you look at it. In all go with a ported sotck oil pump and have fun!

litle88 · 02-06-2012, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztsmith86

The best thing to do is buy or make a ported stock oil pump. A Mellen high volume has 2 downfalls.
1. it will run your stock oil pan dry, unless you have purchase an aftermarket oil pan to go with it.
WRONG IT WILL NOT

2 it will not work with a double roller timing chain, because the double roller will hit the inside of the pump.
THEN don't use a double roller! That's so Chevy 350's era lol a c5r is good enough for this application.
A high pressure pump will put extra strain on your rotating assemblies.
Wow first of hearing this!
The stock oil pumps are fine.
Sure if your leaving it stock, since your in there OP treat yourself to peace of mind please.

Yes there has been a few failures, but consider this. If you installed 10's of thousands of high performance oil pumps you would also have a few failures. It's all relative to how you look at it.
Welcome to our hobby!

In all go with a ported sotck oil pump and have fun!
Go with a melling and have fun and peace of mind

There its been answered and fixed.

BlackM6RS/SS · 02-06-2012, 10:03 PM

I put a 10295 Melling high pressure in and my oil psi is 35ish oil temp around 210* 800rpm idle.

You also have the option on putting the normal psi spring in it for stock psi

10296 HV pump also has the high pressure spring or stock pressure as well.

PQ · 02-06-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffny09

Where is the best price.forthe c5r chain...im not big on cash so i need the best price...thanks

Buying mine through Vengeance I paid 149.00 which is fair. The timing gear was 23.00 so that was a no brainer to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgoodbar

A ported stock pump is fine.... you only need 10 psi per 1000 rpm..... so 25 to 30 psi when the engine is hot, is great.... your only turning under 1000 rpm at idle.

And how much to have a stock pump ported? I don't know the answer but for my money, piece of mind came with the Melling. I know a lot of people running them and I'm much more comfortable with it. The 'Running the oil pan dry' is scare tactic for those who don't want to buy a new one. Not criticizing but please give me some evidence of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztsmith86

The best thing to do is buy or make a ported stock oil pump. A Mellen high volume has 2 downfalls. 1 it will run your stock oil pan dry, unless you have purchase an aftermarket oil pan to go with it. 2 it will not work with a double roller timing chain, because the double roller will hit the inside of the pump. A high pressure pump will put extra strain on your rotating assemblies. The stock oil pumps are fine. Yes there has been a few failures, but consider this. If you installed 10's of thousands of high performance oil pumps you would also have a few failures. It's all relative to how you look at it. In all go with a ported sotck oil pump and have fun!

Again, please give me evidence of the Melling running the pan dry and adding stress to the RE.

I gotta go with the shop that has literaly done hundreds of installs.

Maybe you can. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just haven't seen it.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 02-06-2012, 10:22 PM

Op,

I have the Melling high volume oil pump.... Note modifications in the signature...

I'm not sure where the "will run your oil pan dry" statements are coming from, but my builder insisted on this pump.

I can promise you as hard as I've run my car there hasn't been a hint of oil pressure loss... from any cause...if 427 cubic inches with the turbo chargers aren't going to run it dry,... I doubt much is... bare in mind there are over 8 quarts of oil in the system, and most of it is in the pan, not the circulating system...

As Vengeance stated... It would take severe track conditions and several other conditions along with the severe track service for this to even be a consideration....

An inexpensive but quality oil pump is pretty good peace of mind... I'm with PQ, go with the Melling high volume and forget about it....

jeffny09 · 02-07-2012, 01:40 PM

thanks guys!!!!,,,when i install the oil pump do i need to prime it with oil...or poor oil in it or what?

PQ · 02-07-2012, 02:04 PM

ztsmith86 · 02-07-2012, 06:18 PM

Do yourself a favor and call Texas Speed & Performance before you pay for anything. I'm not an expert and most of these guys aren't either. I may not have the "correct" answer, but these guys will. I can at least point you in the right direction of where to find your answer

Russell James · 02-08-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffny09

thanks guys!!!!,,,when i install the oil pump do i need to prime it with oil...or poor oil in it or what?

You can pour some oil in the pump just to get the works lubed up. You really only need to prime the engine if the engine has been apart and all the oil galleys, lifters, ect... are dry. And then you'll need a special priming tank to pump in pressurized oil through a galley plug or oil filter adapter. But for just a pump change, no need to prime the whole engine.

jeffny09 · 02-08-2012, 02:41 PM

im just changimg the cam shaft and oil pump..and valve springs..i think ill be fine

litle88 · 02-08-2012, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffny09

im just changimg the cam shaft and oil pump..and valve springs..i think ill be fine

What are you changing them too?

jeffny09 · 02-08-2012, 07:29 PM

ummmmmm ok lol...im putting in new ones?

02-06-2012, 07:19 PM	#16
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	Im not interested in keeping the stock pump to many problems. __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

02-06-2012, 07:30 PM	#17
ztsmith86 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 331 View My Garage	The best thing to do is buy or make a ported stock oil pump. A Mellen high volume has 2 downfalls. 1 it will run your stock oil pan dry, unless you have purchase an aftermarket oil pan to go with it. 2 it will not work with a double roller timing chain, because the double roller will hit the inside of the pump. A high pressure pump will put extra strain on your rotating assemblies. The stock oil pumps are fine. Yes there has been a few failures, but consider this. If you installed 10's of thousands of high performance oil pumps you would also have a few failures. It's all relative to how you look at it. In all go with a ported sotck oil pump and have fun! __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Inferno Metallic ---------------------- TSP 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers 304 SS MagnaFlow 2.5 Street Series Catback Exhaust K&N Cold Air Intake Comp Cams Camshaft227/235 .639"/.646"114LSA+2.5 REV 2.165 Hollow Stem Stainless Steel Valves Manley1.59 Stainless Steel Exhaust Valves GM LS7 Hydraulic Lifter Kit Katech CR-5 Timing Chain Manley Hardened Pushrods Comp Cams LSX Rocker Arm Trunion Kit A.I.R. Ported Cylinder Heads Catalytic Converter Delete

02-06-2012, 10:03 PM	#19
BlackM6RS/SS Drives: 2010 Black M6 RS/2SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Posts: 287	I put a 10295 Melling high pressure in and my oil psi is 35ish oil temp around 210* 800rpm idle. You also have the option on putting the normal psi spring in it for stock psi 10296 HV pump also has the high pressure spring or stock pressure as well. __________________ 10 Blk/Blk RS/2SS w/CGM Stripes ADM H/C/I M6 480rwhp 435rwtq FE4 LCAs w/Pfadt ZL swaybars Diff bushings Trailing arms Drop springs

02-06-2012, 10:22 PM	#21
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,476	Op, I have the Melling high volume oil pump.... Note modifications in the signature... I'm not sure where the "will run your oil pan dry" statements are coming from, but my builder insisted on this pump. I can promise you as hard as I've run my car there hasn't been a hint of oil pressure loss... from any cause...if 427 cubic inches with the turbo chargers aren't going to run it dry,... I doubt much is... bare in mind there are over 8 quarts of oil in the system, and most of it is in the pan, not the circulating system... As Vengeance stated... It would take severe track conditions and several other conditions along with the severe track service for this to even be a consideration.... An inexpensive but quality oil pump is pretty good peace of mind... I'm with PQ, go with the Melling high volume and forget about it.... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

02-07-2012, 01:40 PM	#22
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	thanks guys!!!!,,,when i install the oil pump do i need to prime it with oil...or poor oil in it or what? __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

02-06-2012, 05:32 PM	#15
mgoodbar White 2ss, LT, CAI, Tune Drives: 2010 L99 Join Date: May 2011 Location: memphis Posts: 651	A ported stock pump is fine.... you only need 10 psi per 1000 rpm..... so 25 to 30 psi when the engine is hot, is great.... your only turning under 1000 rpm at idle.

02-07-2012, 02:04 PM	#23
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	__________________

02-07-2012, 06:18 PM	#24
ztsmith86 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 331 View My Garage	Do yourself a favor and call Texas Speed & Performance before you pay for anything. I'm not an expert and most of these guys aren't either. I may not have the "correct" answer, but these guys will. I can at least point you in the right direction of where to find your answer __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Inferno Metallic ---------------------- TSP 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers 304 SS MagnaFlow 2.5 Street Series Catback Exhaust K&N Cold Air Intake Comp Cams Camshaft227/235 .639"/.646"114LSA+2.5 REV 2.165 Hollow Stem Stainless Steel Valves Manley1.59 Stainless Steel Exhaust Valves GM LS7 Hydraulic Lifter Kit Katech CR-5 Timing Chain Manley Hardened Pushrods Comp Cams LSX Rocker Arm Trunion Kit A.I.R. Ported Cylinder Heads Catalytic Converter Delete

02-08-2012, 02:41 PM	#26
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	im just changimg the cam shaft and oil pump..and valve springs..i think ill be fine __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

02-08-2012, 07:29 PM	#28
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	ummmmmm ok lol...im putting in new ones? __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

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