Does the 1LE look too much like the ZL1?

[Whos_Drivin]

Those that matter will know the differnce between models. Those that don't, I hope they pull up alongside me and think I've got a stock V6!

[fiascoes1]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

The concern is that the Top of the line - Cost a fortune Camaro ZL1 will look like a Joe Blow Camaro, that costs half the price.

That is not fair to the people paying top dollars and waiting 6 months for the ZL1. Also, if there's no model differentiation, the brand will fade away - not good for resale value therefore another blow in our face...not in Joe Blow's face.

69 Zl1 looked almost exactly the same as the other camaros except for the hood, their value didn't go down.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by lbls1

There are a lot of reasons to do or not to do something, but if a maker is coming out with a program, then it shouldn't cut a great package short due to production constraints (eg: "well we can't because of" or "it costs xyz."). I don't see how a different wheel finishing pattern could affect a wheel's integrity (I've had wheels polished and refinished professionally in the past with excellent results). Yes, it will have a cost, but the camaros are stickering near 40k and 60k as is so why not? The average customer would not be affected by corporate costs in terms of production; Instead, most customers respond to a product that has been well carried out. I believe it will be in Chevy's best interest to find more cost effective methods to address some of the issues surrounding the Camaro that have hindered its performance against the Mustang. It seems to me that Ford is having less trouble giving their customers more variety and faster performance in the Mustang than Chevy seems to be doing with the Camaro.

I would rather see this generation Camaro exceed the Ford in performance, as opposed to playing catch up all thru its run. Ford is playing up their Mustang with a lot of aggression, and so far its payed off for them in faster performance with the Boss..(and probably in the Shelby GT500.....unless Chevy responds).

I agree with a lot of these points! I know the F-Bodyfather has to remember kicking all that Mustang butt in the 4th gen. I know we have the sales crown, but I will never be comfortable with Ford showing us up. The Boss 302 seems to be a ground up project. The 1LE seems to be a watered down ZL1. I think that hurts the 1LE and the ZL1 in the long run. I would have like to see the 1LE be a pkg for the SS, and the Boss's rival the Z/28. The Z could have a functional ram air hood (for boosted HP), custom wheels, center exhaust, recaro seats, several weight saving options, and unique decals and badging. I am keeping the faith the 1LE will have more to offer once it hits market? The 5.0 is beating the SS, on paper the Shelby is beating the ZL1, here is our chance to steal some thunder from the Boss project

[EvilZL1]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

Fbodfather, PLEASE don't give the 1LE the same wheels as the ZL1. Paint them silver, yellow, chrome them etc - just don't make them the same. The exhaust can be made a dual instead of quad, by just changing the tips. It won't cost a fortune.

Just look at the competition, even the 2 Bosses don't have the same wheels and the Shelby is unique. We - ZL1 buyers, want to have a unique car not just the above average Joe's camaro.
Thanks for listening!

Exactly. I want to be different with the ZL1. Though the hood and what's under the hood is different, it will be too similar to the Zl1. With it taking the wheels, exhaust just takes the unique look away from the zl1 which I fell in love with

[Happy_Dan]

I honestly don't where some of your expectations come from and I am amazed that FBodfather continues to try to explain.

Do you really care what everyone else thinks? Do you need to have people see your car and say hey that is a really cool person because they have a car that looks different than everyone elses? Do you comb your hair or wear a certain pair of shoes just so people can say you have the coolest shoes?

You bought a ZL1? Enjoy it and drive it. Don't worry about how much a 1LE looks the same. Anyone who knows about them can tell the difference. Anyone that doesn't think we are all crazy anyway. They think it's a Camaro! 1LT, 1SS, 2SS, ZL1, Z28 .... none of that means anything to them.

[Ltdodge]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

The concern is that the Top of the line - Cost a fortune Camaro ZL1 will look like a Joe Blow Camaro, that costs half the price.

That is not fair to the people paying top dollars and waiting 6 months for the ZL1. Also, if there's no model differentiation, the brand will fade away - not good for resale value therefore another blow in our face...not in Joe Blow's face.

exactly how i feel about the grandsport.......looks just like a z06

[Mr.R]

Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

I honestly don't where some of your expectations come from and I am amazed that FBodfather continues to try to explain.

Do you really care what everyone else thinks? Do you need to have people see your car and say hey that is a really cool person because they have a car that looks different than everyone elses? Do you comb your hair or wear a certain pair of shoes just so people can say you have the coolest shoes?

You bought a ZL1? Enjoy it and drive it. Don't worry about how much a 1LE looks the same. Anyone who knows about them can tell the difference. Anyone that doesn't think we are all crazy anyway. They think it's a Camaro! 1LT, 1SS, 2SS, ZL1, Z28 .... none of that means anything to them.

I respectfully disagree. If I just wanted more (hidden) power, I would have bought an SS and tuned it to 600hp for much less. If I wanted a "regular" car, i would have bought the "regular" camaro. I want a "different" car so I picked the ZL1. Therefore, I don't expect to see herds of "similar" camaros on the road..

[Modern07]

I have to agree on the colored calipers - I have the calipers on my SS powdercoated IOM and it adds SO much to the visual aspect of the car.

Would be really nice if we had the option to choose caliper color to match the paint scheme - especially if the colored calipers are going to be on the 1LE.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

I respectfully disagree. If I just wanted more (hidden) power, I would have bought an SS and tuned it to 600hp for much less. If I wanted a "regular" car, i would have bought the "regular" camaro. I want a "different" car so I picked the ZL1. Therefore, I don't expect to see herds of "similar" camaros on the road..

A car does not become a Legend by being apart of the crowd. Yes the first ZL1 was a sleeper, but all Camaros were unique back then because they were so new. The design was radical and the world had seen nothing like it before. That being said the most remembered 1st gen Camaros are probably the Z/28s with the RS pkg(a what you would call flashy pkg). Being unique is what makes America so great! Our cars became Legends because they were loud, had huge chrome bumpers and tail fins the size of a plane. The American automobile industry did not rise to power by blending in, in fact they did the exact opposite they stood out. Happy Dan I respect your points, but you don't become a leader by following. You might be better suited buying a Toyota they all look the same

[Happy_Dan]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

I respectfully disagree. If I just wanted more (hidden) power, I would have bought an SS and tuned it to 600hp for much less. If I wanted a "regular" car, i would have bought the "regular" camaro. I want a "different" car so I picked the ZL1. Therefore, I don't expect to see herds of "similar" camaros on the road..

Thank you, I can see your point of view, but I would think the things that make a ZL1 a ZL1 are not just the engine. You can't them either, but it's the MR suspension, coolers, brakes etc. that make it special. You can't add mods to an SS to get that and my point is that anyone that doesn't know all this won't matter to have some subtle differences either. Different wheels would hardly be noticed by the Prius driver next to you at the light.

Thanks for a reasonable discussion, I respect your opinion and really you can never be wrong when it's about an opinion.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

The concern is that the Top of the line - Cost a fortune Camaro ZL1 will look like a Joe Blow Camaro, that costs half the price.

That is not fair to the people paying top dollars and waiting 6 months for the ZL1. Also, if there's no model differentiation, the brand will fade away - not good for resale value therefore another blow in our face...not in Joe Blow's face.

You're right, it might look similar but it will drive nothing similar to Joe Blow's Camaro. That's why you're spending the money....not for the looks...the performance. Plus I bet you guys aren't happy to be reading all the other threads on here about the LS LT SS owners switching to ZL1 front fascias, because they'll look similar to the ZL1. And it seems there are a lot of people doing it too (although I like the LT and SS fascias just as well with mods).

Oh and you don't want the 1LE to have the quad exhaust and look like the ZL1....or....the Nissan Maxima. Haha.

[Drake Heminger]

The 1LE is the poor man's ZL1! LOL JKJKJKJK! Sweet car and I hope it eats that 302!

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

You're right, it might look similar but it will drive nothing similar to Joe Blow's Camaro. That's why you're spending the money....not for the looks...the performance. Plus I bet you guys aren't happy to be reading all the other threads on here about the LS LT SS owners switching to ZL1 front fascias, because they'll look similar to the ZL1. And it seems there are a lot of people doing it too (although I like the LT and SS fascias just as well with mods).

Oh and you don't want the 1LE to have the quad exhaust and look like the ZL1....or....the Nissan Maxima. Haha.

I don't mind people doing whatever they want to their car. Its a free country, but it is nice when the HALO car has its own unique parts. I am in no way arguing that there will not be a performance difference in the 1LE and ZL1. When I order mine, I am spending the money for the looks and the performance. I would not be interested in a 1LS with a LSA, and mag shocks.


What is soo wrong with the 1LE having its own wheels, and center exhaust?

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I don't mind people doing whatever they want to their car. Its a free country, but it is nice when the HALO car has its own unique parts. I am in no way arguing that there will not be a performance difference in the 1LE and ZL1. When I order mine, I am spending the money for the looks and the performance. I would not be interested in a 1LS with a LSA, and mag shocks.


What is soo wrong with the 1LE having its own wheels, and center exhaust?

Yo I don't think there would be anything wrong with them making the 1LE dramatically or subtly different than the zL1. I understand your point. I was just playing the devil's advocate...or so to speak...on the subject.