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Old 11-10-2011, 07:07 PM   #43
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Crossover-suv market, meaning the traverse, equinox, and the gmc offerings. I didn't include (or mean to) the full sized suvs. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and perhaps Nissan are selling more volume of crossover vehicles combined than GM. Toyota, by themselves, sold roughly 266,000 crossover vehicles (2010) vs. chevy's figure of roughly 256,700. Chevy's number sounds ok, but you have to factor other players such as Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Kia, and one or two higher end foreign makers. This is the area IMO where Chevy and GM are missing sales. Kia, Hyundai, Toyota (if you include Scion) and Honda seem to have a wider variety of crossover vehicles as well.

The Durango may be classified as a crossover due to its re-design, but the Jeep hasn't changed its platform; Jeep Grand Cherokee has had its unitized body frame for awhile, yet sold its units as midsized suv's. Chevy and GM no longer have body types that classify as mid sized suv's. Its in this area that GM is clearly missing sales to the Jeep.
Sure, in 2010 Chevy itself sold 156k crossovers, but there is also the matter of the 235k crossovers sold by GM's 3 other brands last year too. That makes for over 390k crossover sales by GM in the US last year. And thats not including the HHR (75k) and Avalanche (20k) which are technically crossovers since they don't fit into any specific category, but aren't really what you'd traditionally think of when you mention the word 'crossover'

Point is, while they may not have every niche filled with their crossover offerings, they still sell more of the wretched things than anybody else.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:21 PM   #44
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:01 PM   #45
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I just don't see the reasoning in making the Equinox, trailblazer and the traverse. I can see keeping the Equinox and then adding this and dropping the traverse, or dropping the current traverse and naming this the traverse.

Equinox, Trailblazer, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban..... That's a lot of SUV's for 1 brand. Add in the Enclave, Acadia, Terrain, Yukon, Yukon XL, Escalade, Escalade XL.... That's a ton of different SUVS.......
Its despite the fact that it has 7 seats, its a midsize SUV. The Equinox is a compact crossover, so its one size smaller with a lot less overall capability as a working vehicle. The Tahoe & Suburban are fullsize SUVs, larger and more capable than the Trailblazer. The Traverse is a large crossover, more space, probably equal in towing but probably not equal off road. The real only overlap that I see in the Chevy lineup is Tahoe & Suburban.


If it were up to me though, I'd get rid of the Suburban we know, but use the name on the Tahoe, killing off that name plate. Then, I'd get rid of the Yukon and leave the Yukon XL, but drop the 'XL'. So GMC gets the biggest SUV in the GM lineup, Chevy keeps the Suburban name. Then, I wouldn't bring back the Trailblazer. I'd bring back the Jimmy by itself. That gives GMC a midsize and fullsize+ SUV and gets rid of some of the interbrand competetion between GMC and Chevy. Buick and Cadillac are able to differentiate themselves enough from Chevy and GMC that I don't think its a problem when they have models.
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:58 PM   #47
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I think GM would seriously benefit if they were to create a drastic difference in styling between truck-based SUV's and crossovers. Even more, they could use the Chevy and GMC brands to that end if they were so inclined. Chevy could move to a 100% crossover-based SUV lineup (with the possible exception of a Blazer revival) while GMC could market all the truck-based SUV's. The faithful might cringe at the thought of a Lambda-based Suburban, but to be honest I'll bet GM would sell the Hell out of it if it looked good. Just my two cents.
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Equinox is being downsized for the next-gen. Right now it straddles the line between a compact CUV and a midsize CUV. That leaves room for TrailBlazer (IF the NA market receives it).

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Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and perhaps Nissan are selling more volume of crossover vehicles combined than GM. Toyota, by themselves, sold roughly 266,000 crossover vehicles (2010) vs. chevy's figure of roughly 256,700.
This has to be one of the most unfounded points ever expressed on this site.

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And seriously? The lambda's compete with Explorer and Durango? HMMM, NO WONDER Durango's and Explorers are selling like hot cakes.
Durango? Hotcakes is not the word I would use to describe its sales performance.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:11 AM   #49
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Equinox is being downsized for the next-gen. Right now it straddles the line between a compact CUV and a midsize CUV. That leaves room for TrailBlazer (IF the NA market receives it).



This has to be one of the most unfounded points ever expressed on this site.



Durango? Hotcakes is not the word I would use to describe its sales performance.
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Equinox is being downsized for the next-gen. Right now it straddles the line between a compact CUV and a midsize CUV. That leaves room for TrailBlazer (IF the NA market receives it).



This has to be one of the most unfounded points ever expressed on this site.



Durango? Hotcakes is not the word I would use to describe its sales performance.
Dude, have you seen the sales numbers for Durango and Explorer? They are having a hard time keeping them on the lot!!

And your not going to sit there and try to tell me you dont think the new Durango is a very nice vehicle.

I personally think it would be a HUGE HUGE mistake to downsize Equinox and abandon the established market. Equinox has sold so many that its seeing repeat buyers from one generation to the current model. For example, my grandma had a 2005 Equinox. She put a lot of miles on it and wanted to get a new vehicle, i asked her what she wanted, "oh ill just get the new Equinox, i love them, THEY ARE THE PERFECT SIZE."

Wont be the perfect size if you downsize it to something like an Outback or smaller.
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