09-18-2012, 10:01 PM | #1 | |
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Auto Guys - Our ZL1 Trans ALWAYS shifts to 1st in "M" with NO TAPS
I posted this response in another thread when someone asked me a question about our Auto Trans starting out in second gear when in “M” and NOT using the taps. Not True – our auto trans does not work that way – it Always downshifts into first gear when stopping with no taps when in “M”.
Here are my posts and videos – take a ride with us and count the shifts. Maybe we can all agree and settle this issue once and for all. Here goes! Our shift-counting video is in the next post! Quote:
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09-18-2012, 10:03 PM | #2 | ||
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OK Auto trans fans, here we go! I asked my wife and Assistant Crew Chief Jungle Pat to take the wheel of "Crystal" as we try and document a six-shift sequence while accelerating after coasting to a stop in "M" and not using the Taps. Our ZL1 always shifts down to First under this scenario and up-shifts five (5) times. Here is what we did: Drove around for a while with the trans in "M" Never once touched the Taps Jungle Pat decelerated normally to a stop sign - didn't touch a thing She accelerated normally and the car up-shifted five(5) times ending in sixth (6th) gear. At least that's the way ours works! Count the shifts and watch the tach as we accelerate. I sure hope this helps shed some light on this topic! Maybe one day we can all figure it out! Enjoy the ride! P.S. You can actually feel the different gear ratios when taking off in "M" (4.03 1st gear ratio) vs "D" (2.36 2nd gear ratio). P.P.S. I bet there's a whole lot of ZL1 shift-counting going on tonight ! Let the games begin! |
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09-18-2012, 10:07 PM | #3 |
Drives: 2013 ZL1 Triple Black, 2015 2LT/RS Join Date: Apr 2012
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With a 6 speed trans, auto or manual, would not 5 shift points be all that is possible?
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09-18-2012, 10:11 PM | #4 |
Drives: camaro Join Date: Jul 2012
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09-18-2012, 11:16 PM | #5 |
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Mine starts in second. I'm not going to make a video to prove it, but if I want to start out in first I have to downshift it manually.
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09-19-2012, 05:12 AM | #6 |
Drives: '12 SIM ZL1, 1 of 49 Join Date: Sep 2011
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In "M" 2nd gear start unless I "tap" it down to first.
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09-19-2012, 05:48 AM | #7 |
Drives: 2013 ZL1 # 2195 Join Date: Jun 2009
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Mine started in 1st in M mode without tapping it down to 1st
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09-19-2012, 05:53 AM | #8 |
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M mode with "S" on dash = starts in 1st. D mode = 2nd gear start. No taps.
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09-19-2012, 05:57 AM | #9 |
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This is very odd. Seems that some are downshifting into 1st and some aren't. Both methods of operation have been proven by different cars and owners so it looks like GM did some playing around with the TCM on some cars.
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09-19-2012, 06:43 AM | #10 |
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I have noticed that even when driving in M (S on dash read-out), if you are not driving aggressively, the car begins to shift as though it is in D. This might explain the difference, just guessing. Btw - my car starts in 1st when initially placed into M.
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09-19-2012, 06:53 AM | #11 |
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Sounds the same as the CTS-V auto. "D" will start in first gear when shifted from "P", "R", or "N" only. After that it starts in second gear for the remainder of your trip. "S" will start in first each and every time. Once you touch the tap-shift, you hold a gear to redline but it will downshift for you if the RPM's fall to low. In this situation, it only downshifts to second when you come to a stop. Quirky but predictable!
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09-19-2012, 06:55 AM | #12 |
Mine starts in whatever gear I clutch it into
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09-19-2012, 06:59 AM | #13 |
Drives: 2013 ZL1 # 2195 Join Date: Jun 2009
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