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Crowley · 01-09-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by detroitboy

That part does'nt bother me. I am troubled however at how long we are going to have to wait for our SS cars. I don't like the sound of that at all.

camarogreg@evs · 01-09-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

I want to be sure that we are reading this post correctly. Are you saying the all orders, SS or otherwise, made with a dealer that has an allocated car will be delivered by Oct 2009?

Not to get in a pi***ng match here, that is not what was said in the IDL. We video'd the key points and are editing it now. When done, we will post it here.

There is no way that all SS's will be built by October!

Greg Sanders
EVS Chevrolet

XAnimal · 01-09-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by camarogreg@evs

All valid points. Here's the problem, these "pre-orders" mean NOTHING other than marketing data. They admitted in the IDL they thought it would be 50/50 and it was 80/20 V8. GM has said from day one that the V6 would be the bulk of production. They have not deviated from their position, we just all hoped it would be different.

Greg Sanders
EVS Chevrolet

Heres my question....so my order for a 2LT/RS with a gm workbench # and priority 1 means nothing?

I had a warm and fuzzy but I come back from Iraq soon and I can't hope my dealer gets an allotcation for my order...so I'm asking How certain is it that dealers will get allocations for their pre-orders I thought they already had allocations....I'm so confused and upset right now...

CamaroFan1 · 01-09-2009, 01:41 PM

I'm not really upset about a 4 week production delay, I expected it after seeing the way GM handeled the San Diego and Los Angeles car shows. It was apparent they didn't want any more orders......

I AM upset about the way they have handled the pre-order program.

1.) Guess what? If the V8 models are really this constrained, DEALERS ARE GOING TO MARK THE FIRST ONES UP. You may have a deposit in with them for MSRP or better, but that doesn't mean that contractually, you going to get the first few that come in. You are going to wait.

Apparently, the pre-order program really meant nothing. If dealers don't know what the mix of V6 versus V8's was on the initial allocation, they over ordered V8's and the orders are not going to line up. Some people are going to wait for a long time.

2.) Vechicle purchases are a major financial decision, and they need to be timed to fit into peoples schedules. Right now, we have no idea when to expect a vechicle. After having orders for 4 months, GM should be able to provide dealers with an estimated production date, or an estimated production month. Then people would be able to decide if they want to keep the pre-oder in place. I don't mind waiting, but I want to know when to expect my car.

towmoe · 01-09-2009, 01:42 PM

Are the allocations split between V6 and V8?

camarogreg@evs · 01-09-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMChris

So, I'm probably in good shape wanting a 1LS?

Yes, you are 66% of GM's target market.

Greg Sanders
EVS Chevrolet

camarogreg@evs · 01-09-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by towmoe

Are the allocations split between V6 and V8?

No, they are based on how GM thinks you should earn them.

*GTAHVIT* · 01-09-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by camarogreg@evs

All valid points. Here's the problem, these "pre-orders" mean NOTHING other than marketing data. They admitted in the IDL they thought it would be 50/50 and it was 80/20 V8. GM has said from day one that the V6 would be the bulk of production. They have not deviated from their position, we just all hoped it would be different.

Greg Sanders
EVS Chevrolet

Seeing how GM has been consistent in their approach, are you saying that Dealers should have know better than to place preorders knowing they didn't have the allocation to support it? . Or are you saying GM changed the Pre order system in mid stream causing problems for dealers?

Blue Dragon · 01-09-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Is this true? What is meant by "price protection"?

THE SAME PRICING AS START OF PRODUCTION......EVEN THOUGH THE CAR WILL BE PRODUCED SOME TIME AFTER SEPT. 1 ................

carfansince73 · 01-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Dodge offered their Challenger SRT8 as the first model available with the RT's and V6's coming later. I'm sure they expect to sell more v6's than V8's, but at least they recognized that early buyers would want the larger engines.

I hope for GM's sake it works out because the company doesn't have too much in the way of good news lately. I want an SS Camaro later this year too, but I might have to wait a little longer I guess.

Sizzox · 01-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Yeah why didint they have the actual allocation out when we took preorders like the exact amount of v6's and v8's they could order so that this didnt happen

trm0002 · 01-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Well I might have to cancel now because:

I thought I'd have my car by March, I thought I'd have my car by April, I thought I'd have my car by March, I thought I'd have my car by April, I thought I'd have my car by March, I thought I'd have my car by April, I thought I'd have my car by March,
I thought I'd have my car by April, I thought I'd have my car by March, I thought I'd have my car by April, I thought I'd have my car by March...

People, seriously, everyone was fooling themselves into thinking they were going to have their car in the 2 months. No way was that going to happen.

If you're going to cancel your order because YOU had unreal expectations then so be it. I said many times that a lot of people were going to be disapppointed....

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

wow GM are gonna lose so many orders because of this

Good, I'll get mine quicker.

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Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Yes. This means all discounts offered by GM will be available from day 1. Now I just wish we had final pricing for the supp/mil/grad discounts.
- Xanthos

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Originally Posted by XanthosV6

It means you could get employee pricing on day one, if thats when you got your car.
- Xanthos

Umm, not if the dealer doesn't accept it. It's HIS choice. For those of you that got your dealer to commit to it, good for you.

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Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

I came out CONFIDENT we are better now than before, EVEN WITH the delay. I was impressed how they discussed the matter. I am confident all sold cars (within allocated guide number, and even beyond) will be done by Oct 2009. This was just more of a SOLID promise of what they've been saying all along.

NO ONE should have got an impression they would get a car by a certain time - that was never promised.

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

I want to be sure that we are reading this post correctly. Are you saying the all orders, SS or otherwise, made with a dealer that has an allocated car will be delivered by Oct 2009?

God I hope so but it seems that the different salesmen here who saw the SAME IDL got different things out of it. It wouldn't surprise me at all that we "blew their estimates to hell" by ordering 80/20 SS's...

towmoe · 01-09-2009, 01:46 PM

So, if my dealer has 25 allotments and they are all V8s will they get them all?

IOMChris · 01-09-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by camarogreg@evs

Yes, you are 66% of GM's target market.

Greg Sanders
EVS Chevrolet

I think it's going to be the budget enthusiasts dream car. I was considering placing an order, but it sounds like I shouldn't have any trouble getting one from the dealer lot once they start cranking them out. Maybe even at a discount?

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01-09-2009, 01:41 PM	#200
CamaroFan1 Drives: Camaro Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 114	I'm not really upset about a 4 week production delay, I expected it after seeing the way GM handeled the San Diego and Los Angeles car shows. It was apparent they didn't want any more orders...... I AM upset about the way they have handled the pre-order program. 1.) Guess what? If the V8 models are really this constrained, DEALERS ARE GOING TO MARK THE FIRST ONES UP. You may have a deposit in with them for MSRP or better, but that doesn't mean that contractually, you going to get the first few that come in. You are going to wait. Apparently, the pre-order program really meant nothing. If dealers don't know what the mix of V6 versus V8's was on the initial allocation, they over ordered V8's and the orders are not going to line up. Some people are going to wait for a long time. 2.) Vechicle purchases are a major financial decision, and they need to be timed to fit into peoples schedules. Right now, we have no idea when to expect a vechicle. After having orders for 4 months, GM should be able to provide dealers with an estimated production date, or an estimated production month. Then people would be able to decide if they want to keep the pre-oder in place. I don't mind waiting, but I want to know when to expect my car.

01-09-2009, 01:42 PM	#201
towmoe Drives: IBM 2010 Camaro Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: OKC Posts: 462	Are the allocations split between V6 and V8?

01-09-2009, 01:46 PM	#209
towmoe Drives: IBM 2010 Camaro Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: OKC Posts: 462	So, if my dealer has 25 allotments and they are all V8s will they get them all?