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*GTAHVIT* · 03-31-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristoff

Sure, I'll explain:

When you change the specs of your engine, you change ALL the specs of your engine. If you are making it work harder and put our more power, you are creating added stress on ALL of the other components and if a weak link fails, it could very well have been caused by your mods.

If you take this to court, you have little chance of winning.

That may hold for the pistons, rings, crankshaft.. bearings and gasgets...

But the oil pump has nothing to do with the ammount of power the engine produces. It pumps oil based on RPM not horse power...

Oil pressure and flow are only increased when the RPMs are increased... the power produced by the engine or the mods that make it more powerful have nothing to do with the duty cycle of the oil pump..

Again I refer to the leaking oil pan... More powerful engines don't have any impact on an oil pan seal... if that seal fails it would have failed whether the car is modded or not.

Sevn86 · 03-31-2011, 03:27 PM

Wow, that sucks!

steeleshark2 · 03-31-2011, 03:29 PM

Hey Moss, sorry to hear about your issue. I almost did not do my pump with my cam change. I was lucky I found a post or 2 about it and thought it would be worth it. Now after seeing this, I am so glad I did. If I was there, I think a 12 pack of beer and a few of us could have fun with it. Also, give Jim (Jhart711) a call if you do not want to do the work yourself at Hartley Automotive. He can hook you up for a lot less then that I believe. Good Luck Bro!! See ya when I get home.

halo8hkk · 03-31-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell040

I would just buy a performance oil pump and put it on myself.

no lawyers, better oil flow.

$140
http://www.mtiracing.com/Purchase/LS...-Oil-Pump.html

i hate to say it but your not going to win this one. you would be better off buying s high volume pump and do it your self. its not to hard to replace.

Cristoff · 03-31-2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

That may hold for the pistons, rings, crankshaft.. bearings and gasgets...

But the oil pump has nothing to do with the ammount of power the engine produces. It pumps oil based on RPM not horse power...

Oil pressure and flow are only increased when the RPMs are increased... the power produced by the engine or the mods that make it more powerful have nothing to do with the duty cycle of the oil pump..

Again I refer to the leaking oil pan... More powerful engines don't have any impact on an oil pan seal... if that seal fails it would have failed whether the car is modded or not.

A judge is going to see it as one component and not as a gearhead. GM can argue this point 1000% better than a guy off the street or a non industry lawyer.

A good industry lawyer could argue your point of an oil pan seal by saying that the added power created higher internal pressure within the engine that caused the seal to fail prematurely. Any judge in the world will buy it.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's a losing battle.

DarkneSS · 03-31-2011, 03:39 PM

Fact is, youre completely at the mercy of GM when it comes to warranty excluding Lemon Law claims. Even if your mods didnt break the part they are denying to fix its going to cost a lot of time and money to get the issue resolved. Even if you do win it could take years to get into a court room.

Pretty much anything beyond light bolt on mods and you might as well consider most if not all of your warranty gone.

Cam2011 · 03-31-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cab2g

Unfortunately, with something as minor as replacing an oil pump, your legal fees will most likely outweigh the cost to repair. Lawyers run from $150/hr to hundreds or thousands. So good luck keeping any legal action under a few hours.

Just have the lawyer replace the oil pump. 2 birds 1 stone.

formare · 03-31-2011, 03:45 PM

There are better ways to clean teh road dust off your car. What happened?

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Originally Posted by Sick SS

Sorry bro. That really sucks!

PS......My day has sucked too!

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*GTAHVIT* · 03-31-2011, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristoff

A judge is going to see it as one component and not as a gearhead. GM can argue this point 1000% better than a guy off the street or a non industry lawyer.

A good industry lawyer could argue your point of an oil pan seal by saying that the added power created higher internal pressure within the engine that caused the seal to fail prematurely. Any judge in the world will buy it.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's a losing battle.

I'm not saying it's worth the fight...

But a mechanic could easily testify that your industry lawyer is technically wrong where the operation of an engine is concerned. Hence why technical experts testify.

but I'm an internet expert so that means pretty much nothing...

GaryTucker · 03-31-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

No offense but the top end of your engine has been apart. Yes there is a known issue with the pump but how do they know some mistake wasn't made in the cam or timing chain install, dirt got in the oil system, whatever. This is not to say Vengeance isn't a good place, they are but I'm just showing their perspective. The top end of the motor was taken apart by someone other than the dealership. You're done right there.

Not only that but not EVERY car has a faulty oil pump. Mine is as old as if not older than yours, with 25k hard miles on it and no oil pressure issues.

Gonna have to side with GM on this one, don't waste your time, money, or breath on fighting it.

As has been said before, "burden" may be on GM...but GM also has the funding to hire the lawyers that will make anyone that any of us can afford quake in their thousand dollar shoes...

Cristoff · 03-31-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I'm not saying it's worth the fight...

But a mechanic could easily testify that your industry lawyer is technically wrong where the operation of an engine is concerned. Hence why technical experts testify.

but I'm an internet expert so that means pretty much nothing...

Yep, and this is where GM's deep pockets would win the day by bringing in the engineers of the parts and pay them to say yes it could.

GaryTucker · 03-31-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by themossman

No...confirmed by several reliable sources.

So, you have reliable sources confirm something without seeing it? Since the car is still at the dealership I assume and still in one piece, there is absolutely no way to confirm that something didn't happen during the mod installation.

*GTAHVIT* · 03-31-2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristoff

Yep, and this is where GM's deep pockets would win the day by bringing in the engineers of the parts and pay them to say yes it could.

Like I said, It's not worth the legal fight...

themossman · 03-31-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristoff

Sure, I'll explain:

When you change the specs of your engine, you change ALL the specs of your engine. If you are making it work harder and put out more power (AND drive it harder as a result), you are creating added stress on ALL of the other components and if a weak link fails, it could very well have been caused by your mods.

If you take this to court, you have little chance of winning.

That's not a technical explanation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryTucker

So, you have reliable sources confirm something without seeing it? Since the car is still at the dealership I assume and still in one piece, there is absolutely no way to confirm that something didn't happen during the mod installation.

They confirmed emphatically that the modifications that were performed would not have an adverse impact on the oil pump operation.

03-31-2011, 03:29 PM	#73
steeleshark2 Drives: 2010 Transformer 1SS Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingsland, Ga Posts: 2,553 View My Garage	Hey Moss, sorry to hear about your issue. I almost did not do my pump with my cam change. I was lucky I found a post or 2 about it and thought it would be worth it. Now after seeing this, I am so glad I did. If I was there, I think a 12 pack of beer and a few of us could have fun with it. Also, give Jim (Jhart711) a call if you do not want to do the work yourself at Hartley Automotive. He can hook you up for a lot less then that I believe. Good Luck Bro!! See ya when I get home. __________________ Build page:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...77#post3083477

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DarkneSS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 3,715	Fact is, youre completely at the mercy of GM when it comes to warranty excluding Lemon Law claims. Even if your mods didnt break the part they are denying to fix its going to cost a lot of time and money to get the issue resolved. Even if you do win it could take years to get into a court room. Pretty much anything beyond light bolt on mods and you might as well consider most if not all of your warranty gone.