02-08-2010, 10:23 AM | #43 | |
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Lets say for discussion purposes, that Joe Montana was the best QB to ever play the game. Now you put him the Lions or the Bills... How many Superbowls does he win? Is he any less of a Quarterback because his team doesn't have what it takes to win a Superbowl? Are the Saints RB's any greater than Barry Sanders because they have more rings? No of course not, that would be a ridiculous assumption. QB's often get too much blame for games going the wrong way, and too much credit when all they do is manage the game. The Colts loose, its because Peyton can't win the big game. Not because the Colts Defense couldn't keep the Saint's off the field, not because Reggie Wayne dropped a pass in the enzone on 4th and goal, but because Peyton didn't have what it takes. Ridiculous. How bout a couple years ago with Eli Manning, he plays on a team (much like Terry Bradshaw did) dominated by their Defense and running game, all he had to do was manage the game and make sure they moved the chains on 3rd down... So he did. They rode them all the way to the superbowl, and now he is an elite QB because he has a ring? Yea right. My roomate in college was the biggest steeler fan of all time, and he would be the first to tell you Bradshaw was a top 10 QB at best. And for the record Racecar driving is a poor example because it is not a team sport in the same sense that Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc... |
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02-08-2010, 10:52 AM | #44 | |
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Despite the loss in the Superbowl yesterday, Manning has still moved up on my personal list... as has Brees, though Manning is still far ahead of Brees. I tried to factor in some of the intangibles in my list, but you bring up the MVP vs Championships... Super Bowls etc... MVP, most valuable player... a comparison against the other players.... on his team, in the conference, in the league... subjective Superbowls, a comparison of the same in direct head to head competition... objective Terry Bradshaw won four superbowls, and won back to back Superbowl MVP's, something only previously done by Bart Starr... QB's are often too much in the limelight... and get too much credit for failures and accomplishments... Barry Sanders won the League MVP one time, in 1997, and depending on whom you talk to that was a co-mvp award... I feel that is a travesty... Why did he not win more MVP's... because his team never amounted to much...they never got to the big show while he was there, does that make him less of a player, nope, just unlucky in some peoples eyes...If Indy wasn't going so deep in the playoffs every year, Manning wouldn't be getting the recognition he is... Yes he is a GREAT player, but there is a tremendous line, backs, and defense around him, an intangible is that he is part of the influence that makes those others better, IMO, but there it is... This is how I considered Terry Bradshaw and the others on "my" list... all in all, it's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own... As for Superbowl MVP's... how about Garrett Hartley... yup, three field goals over 40 yards in his first appearance, kept the Saints within reach, upon the scoreboard and in their heads until the rest of the team could get their act together...
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02-08-2010, 10:53 AM | #45 | |
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Superbowls don't = best of all time. |
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02-08-2010, 11:27 AM | #47 |
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You have to be kidding. I just spent the last half dozen posts talking about how its the team and not the man.
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02-08-2010, 01:08 PM | #49 | |
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I get what your saying, and yes it's just a game. Nothing to get heated about, and I'm sorry if it appeared I was taking it too seriously. |
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Just kiss and make up already!!!!
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02-08-2010, 01:28 PM | #51 | |
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Bradshaw is a great example of why having the most rings doesn't mean your the best. Last edited by Zeus; 02-08-2010 at 01:39 PM. |
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02-08-2010, 01:41 PM | #52 |
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I've come to the conclusion you just hate the Steelers, Bradshaw was an awesome QB, you just don't like him, Bradshaw has 4 SB's, 2 time SB mvp, led the NFL with 28 td's in 1978. Bradshaw is a top 5 QB.
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02-08-2010, 02:29 PM | #53 | |
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Montana Elway Brady Manning Farve Marino Staubach All better. I'd put him at 8 if you leave off Unitas.... if not, 9. I'd put Staubach above Bradshaw... but Aikman... meeeeeeeeh..... He was just like Bradshaw. |
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02-08-2010, 03:01 PM | #54 | |
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all that is is here and now and BREES is the BEST right here right now
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[QUOTE=Zeus;1462092]There is no way he is a top 5 QB.
Montana Elway Brady Manning Farve Marino Staubach All better. I'd put him at 8 if you leave off Unitas.... if not, 9. Number 8, yea you are the NFL genius, can I have your autograph, you have Brady at number 3, Montana Bradshaw Elway Manning Staubach Favre |
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