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Greenhornet2 · 12-03-2020, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie14

I live in WI and for some reason we only have 91 here, partially the reason I am looking to go E85. I’m leaning on a dual pump, my tuner showed me what he sells by Fore and it is above my budget and beyond my needs. If I get a dual pump that can handle up to 1000 then I am covered down the road if I want to up my injectors, lines, rails etc. Now I need to find a deal.

Just keep in mind you can only go so far on an LSA. You won't ever get to 1000whp on it. I think about 950 is peak on my Whipple and you might get a bit over 800 if you port an LSA, Unless you put a Kong in it =).

TheFlyingBananaSS · 12-03-2020, 01:09 PM

I don't have an LSA. Mines a ECS Novi 1500. E85 is here but only at select stations. I've been using Sunoco 93 since it's right down the block. I like the idea of going E85 with a couple more pounds of boost. Not over the top yet still right there with most setups except for the all out hp builds.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 12-03-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie14

I live in WI and for some reason we only have 91 here, partially the reason I am looking to go E85. I’m leaning on a dual pump, my tuner showed me what he sells by Fore and it is above my budget and beyond my needs. If I get a dual pump that can handle up to 1000 then I am covered down the road if I want to up my injectors, lines, rails etc. Now I need to find a deal.

It sounds like you should just go for the dual now. And get the flex fuel tune with sensor. Nice fuel package right there. Big injectors too, at least 1000cc at a minimum.

joshnmn · 12-03-2020, 07:37 PM

Keep your eyes open. I got mine on here for a good deal. I got the squash dual system and harness. I had to buy the hoses/ fittings... which I had to do twice because I went cheap the first go round. Siggghh

Batmanntexas · 12-04-2020, 08:25 AM

The AGP twin pump setup is hard to beat price wise, and they also offer the E85 flex fuel kit. That will cover you to 1000whp on E85, 1200whp on 93.

I'm running 95#injectors (rated at 43.5psi), which actually flow about 114lbs @58psi. I'm a hair over 800whp on E85, and around 65-70% injector duty cycle.

For a good price on fuel line, check ON3Performance. For a good price on fittings, filters, regulators, etc., take a look at Racetronix.

-Scott

Valkyrie14 · 12-05-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

If you actually stick to your 700whp goal, then a ZL1 pump (or your dual pump) along with a DSX Aux pump will be fine. You could push that setup to 800ish on pure E85, with a slightly bigger injector. I ran the zl1 pump, fpcm tune, DSX aux pump and 1300cc inj at 808whp with no pressure drop. Once I upped the boost and got around 850whp, I started seeing fuel pressure drop.

I still think that the AGP dual pump kit (fore hat) is a damn good bargain. PM AGP, you might get a little forum member discount. With the agp dual pump kit and a 700whp goal (currently), you might be ok with those injectors. You could push that setup to 1000whp later if you upgrade injectors, but that hard part would be done.

I'm talking about E85 here. Thats all I run, zero 93.

So I like the AGP and Juiced Dual pump. AGP let’s me have higher ceiling and seems like a better system. The Juiced pump is $800 less but has a lower max hp. Not sure which yet. Thanks for the AGP tip!

Still looking at injectors. I have ID850s in there. I have heard both, that 80# is enough and that I need 100#. Looking for feedback on this. Does the brand matter that much. About a $200 to $500 swing on brands.

DSX is the only E85 sensor and kit out there?

Valkyrie14 · 12-06-2020, 05:02 PM

Pulled the trigger on the AGP twin pump. More than enough for me now and when I cam. If I port my LSA it will still be big enough. Also ordered E85 sensor. Sticking with the ID850s for now, will go to ID1050 when I cam. Can only spend so much at a time!

Thanks for all of the feedback.

joshnmn · 12-06-2020, 07:56 PM

Exactly! Great choice

Once you get that in have it tuned and see what your duty cycle is. Then upgrade squirters if needed. They’re simple enough to change you can do it anytime.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 12-06-2020, 08:01 PM

Good pump right there. Nice decision. Good advice to check the injectors duty cycle too. The build is coming along. Looking forward to your numbers.

olblue75 · 12-06-2020, 08:31 PM

I was able to score a Deatches Works twin pump for my build guy said it was good for about 700hp which works really well for me won’t be making more than 550’ish RWHP.

12-03-2020, 01:09 PM	#16
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	I don't have an LSA. Mines a ECS Novi 1500. E85 is here but only at select stations. I've been using Sunoco 93 since it's right down the block. I like the idea of going E85 with a couple more pounds of boost. Not over the top yet still right there with most setups except for the all out hp builds. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

12-04-2020, 08:25 AM	#19
Batmanntexas Drives: 2012 Camaro SS (2SS) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 1,372 View My Garage	The AGP twin pump setup is hard to beat price wise, and they also offer the E85 flex fuel kit. That will cover you to 1000whp on E85, 1200whp on 93. I'm running 95#injectors (rated at 43.5psi), which actually flow about 114lbs @58psi. I'm a hair over 800whp on E85, and around 65-70% injector duty cycle. For a good price on fuel line, check ON3Performance. For a good price on fittings, filters, regulators, etc., take a look at Racetronix. -Scott __________________ 745RWHP/634RWTQ on 93 @ 10psi 806/676 on E85 @ 10psi COTW 9/8/14

12-06-2020, 05:02 PM	#21
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	Pulled the trigger on the AGP twin pump. More than enough for me now and when I cam. If I port my LSA it will still be big enough. Also ordered E85 sensor. Sticking with the ID850s for now, will go to ID1050 when I cam. Can only spend so much at a time! Thanks for all of the feedback. __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

12-06-2020, 08:01 PM	#23
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Good pump right there. Nice decision. Good advice to check the injectors duty cycle too. The build is coming along. Looking forward to your numbers. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

12-06-2020, 08:31 PM	#24
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,062	I was able to score a Deatches Works twin pump for my build guy said it was good for about 700hp which works really well for me won’t be making more than 550’ish RWHP. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

12-03-2020, 07:37 PM	#18
joshnmn 2&THEHIT Drives: 5th Gen Camaro; 5th Gen Ram 3500 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 1,012 View My Garage	Keep your eyes open. I got mine on here for a good deal. I got the squash dual system and harness. I had to buy the hoses/ fittings... which I had to do twice because I went cheap the first go round. Siggghh

12-06-2020, 07:56 PM	#22
joshnmn 2&THEHIT Drives: 5th Gen Camaro; 5th Gen Ram 3500 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 1,012 View My Garage	Exactly! Great choice Once you get that in have it tuned and see what your duty cycle is. Then upgrade squirters if needed. They’re simple enough to change you can do it anytime.