GM polling customers about engine options, including hybrid V8 and 4 cylinder - Page 4

bigd1276 · 08-18-2018, 11:04 PM

I filled out this survey that was emailed to me. Pretty short and sweet. V8 or 4 cylinder. No brainer for me.

camaro5 · 08-18-2018, 11:32 PM

Turbo 4's are not more efficient than a V6. It's all propaganda. Horsepower takes fuel.

Quote:

Ostensibly, Honda opted for the 2.0-liter turbo for reasons of fuel economy, not performance, but the company expects the new Accord Touring’s EPA ratings to come in at only 22 mpg city and 32 mpg highway (versus the 1.5-liter’s 30/38-mpg EPA estimates with the CVT). That’s comparable with the best ratings for last year’s V-6 model, which were 21 mpg city and 33 highway.

Indeed, in our highway fuel-economy loop running a steady 75 mph, the new car achieved 35 mpg, which is precisely what the last V-6–powered Accord managed.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review

Soleil · 08-19-2018, 01:21 AM

Either they kill the V6 or the V8. It’ all about emissions. The Hybrid is just the consequence. Look at the Porsche Panamera E- Hybrid it is a fantastic sport / sedan car. Sooner or later we will have in all engines a hybrid or just pure e-power.

JCunningham · 08-19-2018, 01:27 AM

i was asked to sign up in an email when I bought my 17 Silverado and registered it here https://my.chevrolet.com/myvehicle. i got the survey.

redcoats1976 · 08-19-2018, 02:39 AM

it does seem like the 6 cylinder will be going away,already did with the mustang.

redcoats1976 · 08-19-2018, 02:44 AM

i own a 6 cylinder,but was loaned a turbo 4 during warranty work on the TPMS.have to admit it was surprisingly fast,but the premium fuel required probably makes fuel economy a wash compared to the 6.

Cmax · 08-19-2018, 05:49 AM

I love my 6.2, but how cool would a 9.2 liter engine be. That would be a ground pounder.
I recently went to a coffee and cars,and a guy started his early 70’s Trans Am with a 455 SD engine with a perfect Cam, and you could feel it in your bones.... Totally frickin awesome....
My point is that one of these days you could figure out how to get a 4 cyl engine to be faster than my 6.2 V8, but it will never sound as bad ass.... and mine will never sound as good as a TA SD

Cmax · 08-19-2018, 06:07 AM

I might add that as someone that grew up around cars and trucks that the majority had V8’s, I am ok with a trend toward fuel efficiency, and environmental effort...
That said, I see all these compacts out on the street with heavy mods and they still sound like my wife is vacuuming during the game.... irritating...lol

BlackSovereign · 08-19-2018, 06:55 AM

not really sold on a hybrid motor, an additional 90HP for 4k is nice.
Whats the weight of the batteries to produce an extra 90HP?
If my batteries need to cool down/drained, am I just lugging extra weight?

I'll take my v8+supercharger combo. Low maintenance, more power gain, power when I need it, cheaper overall.

mdhopt36 · 08-19-2018, 07:08 AM

If it's true GM is thinking about not using the v6 in favor of the turbo 4, it's about the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Engineering wise, econo wise, absolutely nothing about it makes sense. GM must have hired some kind of idiot pushing an agenda.
Simple fact, mentioned before--- Horsepower takes fuel, period.
Too many advantages using the 6 to do the job in this case, that's the way it is. Too darn good of an engine to toss out of the lineup.

Gen6_1Le · 08-19-2018, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmax

I love my 6.2, but how cool would a 9.2 liter engine be. That would be a ground pounder.
I recently went to a coffee and cars,and a guy started his early 70’s Trans Am with a 455 SD engine with a perfect Cam, and you could feel it in your bones.... Totally frickin awesome....
My point is that one of these days you could figure out how to get a 4 cyl engine to be faster than my 6.2 V8, but it will never sound as bad ass.... and mine will never sound as good as a TA SD

I'm all for the Muscle car vibe , nothing like the sound and smells that come from them . But when it comes to all out performance that Trans Am would not be as fast as a 2.0 Hybrid turbo 4 cylinder , i know that sounds awful but thats where we are now , and there will be an all new buyer wanting them . The teens today are seeing silent cars going 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds with absolutely no smell of exhaust .

mdhopt36 · 08-19-2018, 07:16 AM

As to the excuse (argument) of being enviromentally friendly, which I have studied, the earth has been an ice covered rock all the way to the equator, to having subtropical conditions at the poles with critters running around there. Last ~15k years, there has been extremely mild conditions prevalent here.
Be forewarned, these "ideal conditions" will definitely not last, so any arguments along the lines of "eco-friendly" simply are based on fallacy and are extremely short sighted.
So I'm in favor of using as many cylinders as the owner wants---V12's anyone??!!

FreBMX · 08-19-2018, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdhopt36

If it's true GM is thinking about not using the v6 in favor of the turbo 4, it's about the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Engineering wise, econo wise, absolutely nothing about it makes sense. GM must have hired some kind of idiot pushing an agenda.
Simple fact, mentioned before--- Horsepower takes fuel, period.
Too many advantages using the 6 to do the job in this case, that's the way it is. Too darn good of an engine to toss out of the lineup.

For us Europeans it makes total sense, with emission taxes here even a V6 is crazy expensive to drive here, and the turbo almost being equally fast, but 5 times cheaper to drive. So easy choice here.
If I were to live in the US I would pick the V6 over the turbo any day, but only for the sweet sound of that npp exhaust

90503 · 08-19-2018, 08:28 AM

This survey is a new twist....Asking about something they likely have already decided on years ago...lol...Gee, we are just so "involved"....a new type of "focus group" perhaps?

No matter how lousy things turn out, it will be because they asked and listened to customers...Yeah, right...Nobody wanted big V-8s anymore...just look at the survey!...Oh well, it's a fun futile exercise for a meaningless issue....

The dies were already cast years ago....They already have the data from what engine choices customers have already made from what is available now, yet they have no clue what future sales might be?....Ok....got it.

Sorry, but it seems like a lame attempt at some sort of customer impact....Good PR, I suppose, but likely geared to what they are going to do anyhow.

08-18-2018, 11:04 PM	#43
bigd1276 2017 HyperBlue 2SS Drives: 2017 HyperBlue Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PA Posts: 2,137 View My Garage	I filled out this survey that was emailed to me. Pretty short and sweet. V8 or 4 cylinder. No brainer for me. __________________ ] http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30755 2010 IBM 2LT RS......Traded for..... 2012 IBM 2SS RS......Traded for..... 2017 HBM 2SS

08-19-2018, 01:21 AM	#45
Soleil Drives: Camaro 50th anniversary edition Join Date: May 2017 Location: Europe Posts: 2,203 View My Garage	Either they kill the V6 or the V8. It’ all about emissions. The Hybrid is just the consequence. Look at the Porsche Panamera E- Hybrid it is a fantastic sport / sedan car. Sooner or later we will have in all engines a hybrid or just pure e-power. __________________ Soleil _____________________________________________ A car is fast enough, if you fear to unlock it in the morning." (Walter Roehrl)

08-19-2018, 01:27 AM	#46
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,071	i was asked to sign up in an email when I bought my 17 Silverado and registered it here https://my.chevrolet.com/myvehicle. i got the survey. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

08-19-2018, 06:55 AM	#51
BlackSovereign Drives: 2018 Camaro 1LE Black Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Toronto Posts: 89	not really sold on a hybrid motor, an additional 90HP for 4k is nice. Whats the weight of the batteries to produce an extra 90HP? If my batteries need to cool down/drained, am I just lugging extra weight? I'll take my v8+supercharger combo. Low maintenance, more power gain, power when I need it, cheaper overall. __________________ --- BlackBeauty

08-19-2018, 02:39 AM	#47
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	it does seem like the 6 cylinder will be going away,already did with the mustang.

08-19-2018, 02:44 AM	#48
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	i own a 6 cylinder,but was loaned a turbo 4 during warranty work on the TPMS.have to admit it was surprisingly fast,but the premium fuel required probably makes fuel economy a wash compared to the 6.

08-19-2018, 05:49 AM	#49
Cmax Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS FIFTY convertible Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 366	I love my 6.2, but how cool would a 9.2 liter engine be. That would be a ground pounder. I recently went to a coffee and cars,and a guy started his early 70’s Trans Am with a 455 SD engine with a perfect Cam, and you could feel it in your bones.... Totally frickin awesome.... My point is that one of these days you could figure out how to get a 4 cyl engine to be faster than my 6.2 V8, but it will never sound as bad ass.... and mine will never sound as good as a TA SD

08-19-2018, 06:07 AM	#50
Cmax Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS FIFTY convertible Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 366	I might add that as someone that grew up around cars and trucks that the majority had V8’s, I am ok with a trend toward fuel efficiency, and environmental effort... That said, I see all these compacts out on the street with heavy mods and they still sound like my wife is vacuuming during the game.... irritating...lol

08-19-2018, 07:08 AM	#52
mdhopt36 Drives: '17- 1ag37 V6 traded, for 1SS 2018! Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: MA Posts: 469	If it's true GM is thinking about not using the v6 in favor of the turbo 4, it's about the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Engineering wise, econo wise, absolutely nothing about it makes sense. GM must have hired some kind of idiot pushing an agenda. Simple fact, mentioned before--- Horsepower takes fuel, period. Too many advantages using the 6 to do the job in this case, that's the way it is. Too darn good of an engine to toss out of the lineup.

08-19-2018, 07:16 AM	#54
mdhopt36 Drives: '17- 1ag37 V6 traded, for 1SS 2018! Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: MA Posts: 469	As to the excuse (argument) of being enviromentally friendly, which I have studied, the earth has been an ice covered rock all the way to the equator, to having subtropical conditions at the poles with critters running around there. Last ~15k years, there has been extremely mild conditions prevalent here. Be forewarned, these "ideal conditions" will definitely not last, so any arguments along the lines of "eco-friendly" simply are based on fallacy and are extremely short sighted. So I'm in favor of using as many cylinders as the owner wants---V12's anyone??!!

08-19-2018, 08:28 AM	#56
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,417	This survey is a new twist....Asking about something they likely have already decided on years ago...lol...Gee, we are just so "involved"....a new type of "focus group" perhaps? No matter how lousy things turn out, it will be because they asked and listened to customers...Yeah, right...Nobody wanted big V-8s anymore...just look at the survey!...Oh well, it's a fun futile exercise for a meaningless issue.... The dies were already cast years ago....They already have the data from what engine choices customers have already made from what is available now, yet they have no clue what future sales might be?....Ok....got it. Sorry, but it seems like a lame attempt at some sort of customer impact....Good PR, I suppose, but likely geared to what they are going to do anyhow.

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