09-18-2021, 06:44 PM | #15 | |
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I may still end up going with ARH. I'm waiting to see what the online vendor says regarding return shipping and restocking fees, or if they will send me replacement parts. As previously stated, ARH was my first choice if cost were not a consideration. |
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09-18-2021, 06:49 PM | #16 | |
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As Bo stated earlier in this thread, I think it was mainly shipping damage, rather than a quality issue. The one exception to that statement is the collector on the end of one of the headers that was out of round. It looks like this collector was definitely out of round from the factory, as the headers were packed well, and the box they were in arrived in pristine condition. |
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09-25-2021, 10:21 PM | #17 |
The online vendor told me they frequently receive exhaust systems in the same condition as mine and that they would just install them. I replied that they probably had some tools that I didn't have to make that work because I cannot slide the pipes together in the condition they are in. I then asked them what tools I needed to fix the pipes. They replied that they just used a hammer and pliers.
I was prepared that I might have to dimple them in some places for clearance, but I never thought I would have to correct deformities to get them to fit together. It doesn't seem like I should have to do that with a brand new exhaust system. Also, it doesn't seem conducive to a leak free exhaust. Did any of you have to hammer and bend on your pipes to get them to fit together? Should I call BS on the online vendor? |
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09-25-2021, 10:42 PM | #18 |
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Now I did have to use a hammer and a block of wood to get the slip fit connections to get them fully seated together. And just a tip, you will have to dimple the pipes where the transmission crossmember bolts are and the connection where the cats or connection pipes meet the x pipe is pretty much in a bind. It wants to angle down so I just put it together the best I could and then took it to a welder and had them welded up on that joint to relax it there in that one spot.
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09-26-2021, 02:37 AM | #19 |
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1 7/8" ARH LTs/full exhaust great fit, no dimpling, hammering or welding, except for adding bungs. The cats did blow out, but I attribute that to nitrous. I installed them about 8 years ago, give or take. Also, had the long tubes Jet-Hot coated. Had to grind off the coating for the slip joint to fit.
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09-26-2021, 09:58 AM | #21 | |
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Also, here's a cool button to multi quote so you don't have to create a new post to reply to each person. |
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10-01-2021, 06:49 PM | #22 | |
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Good tip. Thanks. |
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10-15-2021, 06:38 PM | #23 |
Final word on this is that I can either send the system back, or TSP will give me $50 to have an exhaust shop fix. I don't think $50 is going to cover it...
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10-16-2021, 08:47 PM | #24 |
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Maybe count thy blessings you have product at all. I retired from a major driveline parts manufacturer in January of this year. We (they) prided themselves on 90%+ fill rates for decades, barring some market issues here and there. As did most reputable manufacturers across many industries.
I learned on Friday that they’re now operating at near only 28% fill rates. It’s horrible out there.
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01-30-2022, 05:12 PM | #25 |
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I ended up purchasing a pipe expander to correct the deformities at the end of the pipes. Worked very well and all the pipes slid together pretty easily. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the 2" headers fit. They did manage to clear the other parts of the car, but they were very close to the steering shaft joint on the driver side and very close to the frame on the passenger side. I decided to not take any chances and dimpled them for added clearance. This is when I discovered my next obstacle; neither end of the x-pipe had enough spread between the pipes to fit the rest of the exhaust together. The header end of the x-pipe was about 1.5" too narrow to fit over the cats after installing the headers and the muffler end of the x-pipe was so narrow that I couldn't even rotate the extension pipes into the correct position to connect to the mufflers. I have read on here that another member had a similar issue. I ended up taking the x-pipe to my company's shop, cutting the x-pipe apart, and welding a 1" spacer between the 2 pipes. Yes, the spacer is hollow, so it still allows exhaust gas exchange between the 2 pipes. However, I don't know what effect this has on the flow/performance of the x-pipe. Now, my x-pipe is a combination between an x and an h-pipe, I guess. After the modification described above, I was able to fit the rest of the system together without too much trouble. I did have to dimple the x-pipe on the driver side so that it would clear one of the bolts on the transmission cross-member. Now that it is on the car, I can comment on the sound characteristics. It doesn't quite have the same low rumble as the straight pipe/Borla ATAK exhaust I took off of the car, but it still sounds like a hot rod. The TSP system seems to be a bit quieter, but that is a plus in my book, as the old exhaust was extremely loud, even when taking it easy. There is a bit of a drone/vibration at certain low RPMs, but it goes away quickly. There is no drone while cruising. I can't really tell you what it sounds like under WOT, because I am still breaking in my new 3.91 gears. If I had it to do over again, I would buy the full ARH system and save myself the headaches. |
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01-31-2022, 04:41 AM | #26 |
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It's really strange that you had these problems with your TSP exhaust and I didn't have any problems at all except the one I mentioned earlier. But I did pick mine up directly from TSP since I live only about 40 minutes away. I don't know if mine didn't have any shipping damage or if they have maybe two manufactures and I just got the better of the two. And I did use the 1 7/8" headers because I knew it would be a tight fit with the 2" primaries. Yes the sound is phenomenal, it doesn't sound like any other exhaust out there and like you said it is quieter than most other exhaust. I even had some resonators welded in to take out the raspy sound out.
Anyway I'm glad you got it on there.
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01-31-2022, 02:47 PM | #27 |
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why would there be a shipping cost to you if the headers are defective? They should pay the trip back and refund you. if the damage is shipping related, then same, you send them back on their dime and they file a claim with the carrier. done deal and everyone happy.
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01-31-2022, 05:29 PM | #28 | |
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You're right. If I stated earlier in the thread that I had to pay shipping, I was speculating. TSP did offer to exchange, but I had already waited over 2 months to get the system I had and lead times are not getting any shorter. They did not have another system to send me, so I would've had to wait who knows how long to get a replacement. |
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