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Dissociation · 02-04-2013, 01:59 AM

Hey, I was thinking about racing my friend, we are going to find a drag strip or some sort of abandoned airstrip nearby to us and I am curious as to what you all would think of the outcome.

I have a 2010 v6 Camaro RS with a muffler delete, a K&N Cold air and when I race him I will have an Iceolator for the LLT (atleast I think thats exactly what it is I cant remember atm)

he is completely stock no upgrades or tune or anything (stock comes with a stock turbo though).

What do you think, thanks.

mel1 · 02-04-2013, 02:42 AM

Might be neck to neck

08-G35s/6MT · 02-04-2013, 02:53 AM

Mazdaspeed3 will get you on top end, 100+ mph no questions asked.... if he can drive. To that point it may be close, or you may momentarily get ahead due to wheelspin on his part.

You are comparing a 240-245 whp 3200 lb 6-speed manual car to a 250-255 whp 3700 lb car with much longer gears for fuel economy.

Whatever you do, don't go to mazdaspeed forums and ask, they will eat you alive.

MS3's and Cobalt SS T/C's have K04 turbo's and respond great to mods. They can get 300-350 whp with just bolt ons and tune + maybe some corn. My friend's Cobalt SS has 335 whp with E85 tune and intake/exhaust, that's it. He ran 13.0 @ 112 mph on drag radials. From a roll he walks my friend's stock L99 Camaro SS.

Here's his 300 whp dyno run before E85, put down 359 lb-ft in the video. Now it puts down 398 lb-ft.

Dissociation · 02-04-2013, 03:02 AM

Frankly he can't drive very well, his shifting is almost a perpetual concussion, I drive an auto also.

Thanks for the info

MagnumForceGB · 02-04-2013, 11:54 AM

I raced 1 at the track twice. He had a tune and intercooler changed.

This is what happens when it wheel hops off the line and misses a shift:

This is a clean launch:

MichaelH · 02-04-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Mazdaspeed3 will get you on top end, 100+ mph no questions asked.... if he can drive. To that point it may be close, or you may momentarily get ahead due to wheelspin on his part.

You are comparing a 240-245 whp 3200 lb 6-speed manual car to a 250-255 whp 3700 lb car with much longer gears for fuel economy.

Whatever you do, don't go to mazdaspeed forums and ask, they will eat you alive.

MS3's and Cobalt SS T/C's have K04 turbo's and respond great to mods. They can get 300-350 whp with just bolt ons and tune + maybe some corn. My friend's Cobalt SS has 335 whp with E85 tune and intake/exhaust, that's it. He ran 13.0 @ 112 mph on drag radials. From a roll he walks my friend's stock L99 Camaro SS.

Here's his 300 whp dyno run before E85, put down 359 lb-ft in the video. Now it puts down 398 lb-ft.

i know cobalts can be made very fast and all but how does your buddies SS lose that bad from a roll?

08-G35s/6MT · 02-04-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

I raced 1 at the track twice. He had a tune and intercooler changed.

This is what happens when it wheel hops off the line and misses a shift:

This is a clean launch:

Did you go sneek in or are these from last season ?

National geographic was doing street racing documentary, it was really hush hush, and there were people at thunder valley this most previous saturday.

08-G35s/6MT · 02-04-2013, 04:02 PM

What was ET and trap on the ms3?

MagnumForceGB · 02-04-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Did you go sneek in or are these from last season ?

National geographic was doing street racing documentary, it was really hush hush, and there were people at thunder valley this most previous saturday.

These are from last season on Nov 9th

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Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

What was ET and trap on the ms3?

His first run:

RT: -0.026
60': 2.635
330: 7.235
1/8: 10.474
MPH: 76.15
1000: 13.217
1/4: 15.508
MPH: 98.71

Second:
RT: 0.290
60': 2.433
330: 6.439
1/8: 9.613
MPH: 77.94
1000: 12.343
1/4: 14.637
MPH: 98.42

Still had problems launching the second time, he said it was hard not to wheel hop the car. He actually races his wife that runs a 2012 Camaro V6.

scrming · 02-04-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

These are from last season on Nov 9th

His first run:

RT: -0.026
60': 2.635
330: 7.235
1/8: 10.474
MPH: 76.15
1000: 13.217
1/4: 15.508
MPH: 98.71

Second:
RT: 0.290
60': 2.433
330: 6.439
1/8: 9.613
MPH: 77.94
1000: 12.343
1/4: 14.637
MPH: 98.42

Still had problems launching the second time, he said it was hard not to wheel hop the car. He actually races his wife that runs a 2012 Camaro V6.

Sounds like he needs some better motor mounts!

I picked up a '13 Focus ST last Fall.. first FWD car with this kind of power and it had a LOT of wheel hop with the stock motor mounts... I've replace the rear mount and the passenger side mount and has done an amazing job of cutting down the wheel hop!!! Can't wait until Spring and run the ST again with the new mounts and tune! Are you listening, RTCAT600MAN? LOL!

MagnumForceGB · 02-04-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

Sounds like he needs some better motor mounts!

I picked up a '13 Focus ST last Fall.. first FWD car with this kind of power and it had a LOT of wheel hop with the stock motor mounts... I've replace the rear mount and the passenger side mount and has done an amazing job of cutting down the wheel hop!!! Can't wait until Spring and run the ST again with the new mounts and tune! Are you listening, RTCAT600MAN? LOL!

I have a Mazda 3s with the 2.5L motor and if I turn DSC off and am on concrete the car will wheel hop pretty badly to the point I think I'm breaking something. Fun little car though, people don't expect it to be fast.

DarkneSS · 02-05-2013, 07:38 AM

I beat one, their hard cars to launch. Had he hooked though, I would have been toast.

lscamaro · 02-06-2013, 01:24 AM

If you want to stand a chance of winning, id highly suggest racing at a drag strip. Since hes a mediocre driver, he might have problems launching and shifting which gives you the advantage. From a roll, he will take you on the top end

SGOS252382 · 02-06-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lscamaro

If you want to stand a chance of winning, id highly suggest racing at a drag strip. Since hes a mediocre driver, he might have problems launching and shifting which gives you the advantage. From a roll, he will take you on the top end

Definately race from a dead stop. Front wheel drive guys usually avoid drag racing and love to race from a roll.
As you mentioned, from a roll is where they usually gain an advantage due to their HP/weight ratio.

For most people, FWD is a bixch to launch agressively off the line without massive wheel spin.

02-04-2013, 01:59 AM	#1
Dissociation Drives: Cyber Grey 2010 2LT RS Camaro Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 31	2010 Camaro vs 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 Hey, I was thinking about racing my friend, we are going to find a drag strip or some sort of abandoned airstrip nearby to us and I am curious as to what you all would think of the outcome. I have a 2010 v6 Camaro RS with a muffler delete, a K&N Cold air and when I race him I will have an Iceolator for the LLT (atleast I think thats exactly what it is I cant remember atm) he is completely stock no upgrades or tune or anything (stock comes with a stock turbo though). What do you think, thanks. Last edited by Dissociation; 02-04-2013 at 02:09 AM.

02-04-2013, 02:42 AM	#2
mel1 Yeah buddy Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Inferno Orange Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Raleigh Posts: 196	Might be neck to neck __________________ 2010 SS IOM L99,Heritage grille,Rear Bowtie Delete

02-04-2013, 11:54 AM	#5
MagnumForceGB Drives: Fastest 2010 Camaro V6 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle, OK Posts: 3,571 View My Garage	I raced 1 at the track twice. He had a tune and intercooler changed. This is what happens when it wheel hops off the line and misses a shift: This is a clean launch: __________________ Camaro V6 = 11.268 @ 120.11

02-06-2013, 01:24 AM	#13
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	If you want to stand a chance of winning, id highly suggest racing at a drag strip. Since hes a mediocre driver, he might have problems launching and shifting which gives you the advantage. From a roll, he will take you on the top end __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

02-04-2013, 03:02 AM	#4
Dissociation Drives: Cyber Grey 2010 2LT RS Camaro Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 31	Frankly he can't drive very well, his shifting is almost a perpetual concussion, I drive an auto also. Thanks for the info

02-04-2013, 04:02 PM	#8
08-G35s/6MT Drives: racecars Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: BMN Posts: 1,776	What was ET and trap on the ms3?

02-05-2013, 07:38 AM	#12
DarkneSS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 3,715	I beat one, their hard cars to launch. Had he hooked though, I would have been toast.