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Old 09-26-2008, 10:54 AM   #15
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guys this cant be true, the auto has optimized shift points, i mean OPTIMIZED SHIFT POINTS.
Yes, but "optimized" isn't always "optimal", in all conditions. Sorry; but you take the human reflexive factor out of it and you're going to lose something. The computer can't compensate for environmental surprises or shift when it's most advantageous against your opponent or for the surface/ terrain you're dealing with. Optimized shift points might help you on a straightaway on a track but for driving performance in the real world, nothing beats a manual.

You might think that I am somewhat of a stick snob. Really; I just think a car with this much performance deserves the attention and skill of its driver to get the best out of it, and I like the control and flexibility of a manual. I'm somewhat relieved the manual proved to be faster, if this is indeed truth. I have to admit it didn't make much sense to me either.

But having said that; before I get flamed by everyone on here who loves automatics, let me just say that I perfectly understand why some people drive them and prefer them. I just have my reasons for preferring the manual, as stated above.

BTW, I don't know much about paddle shifters... but I still prefer the clutch and shifter to them, too. It just feels better, IMHO.
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:56 AM   #16
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No idea, but I am glad this is finally resolved. It was amazing how many people jumped on the AT is faster bandwagon with information that had absolutely no merit. And it spread like WILDFIRE.

I knew all along that this wasn't going to be the case when they actually start to test it. With more HP and TQ, less weight, and launch control the MT can't possibly be slower (with a good driver) But no one listened to reason, I am just glad there is a solid test out there and from the sound of it they may be able to squeeze out another tenth or two when they fix the brake issue

MT looks like it will be a high 12's car. AT will be a low 13's car
Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:06 AM   #17
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Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:14 AM   #18
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Yes, but "optimized" isn't always "optimal", in all conditions. Sorry; but you take the human reflexive factor out of it and you're going to lose something. The computer can't compensate for environmental surprises or shift when it's most advantageous against your opponent or for the surface/ terrain you're dealing with. Optimized shift points might help you on a straightaway on a track but for driving performance in the real world, nothing beats a manual.

You might think that I am somewhat of a stick snob. Really; I just think a car with this much performance deserves the attention and skill of its driver to get the best out of it, and I like the control and flexibility of a manual. I'm somewhat relieved the manual proved to be faster, if this is indeed truth. I have to admit it didn't make much sense to me either.

But having said that; before I get flamed by everyone on here who loves automatics, let me just say that I perfectly understand why some people drive them and prefer them. I just have my reasons for preferring the manual, as stated above.

BTW, I don't know much about paddle shifters... but I still prefer the clutch and shifter to them, too. It just feels better, IMHO.


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Old 09-26-2008, 11:16 AM   #19
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was sarcasm my friend

Oh; ok. Well, I still stand by what I said!

Sorry, that whole "no tone of voice" thing on the internet....

I was wondering what mblock66 thought was funny.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:17 AM   #20
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Launch Control?

Launch controll is mentioned and i am wondering what it takes to set. I have seen some videos of different cars where to it takes a few seconds to set due to the number of switches that are involved.

My question is will you be able to use launch control at the dragstrip or will the light be green while you are flipping switches?
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:17 AM   #21
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:31 AM   #22
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Launch controll is mentioned and i am wondering what it takes to set. I have seen some videos of different cars where to it takes a few seconds to set due to the number of switches that are involved.

My question is will you be able to use launch control at the dragstrip or will the light be green while you are flipping switches?
Wouldn't you want to set before the lights even start?
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:42 AM   #23
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guys this cant be true, the auto has optimized shift points, i mean OPTIMIZED SHIFT POINTS.
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was sarcasm my friend
oh you're good. had me there for a sec

personally, ever since first driving stick, i was converted. manual guy for life!
but i have my reasons for going with auto on the Camaro, once i get it.

manual is still my prefered choice
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:48 AM   #24
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Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
AT - 12.7-12.9 (Average driver)
Of course that would be nice. But I think it will come that close to a corvette. I think IMO

MT - 12.9-13.0 (Average driver)
AT - 13.0-13.1 (Average driver)

It does have lots of fat in the new camaro after all.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:06 PM   #25
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Wouldn't you want to set before the lights even start?
I thought there was discussion with the GT-R that you have to do everything while not moving so when you stage you have to start over?

Did some quick research and it looks like if you use launch control on a GT-R it voids the warranty so they make it diffucult to engage so that it can not be accidently engaged.
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Launch controll is mentioned and i am wondering what it takes to set. I have seen some videos of different cars where to it takes a few seconds to set due to the number of switches that are involved.

My question is will you be able to use launch control at the dragstrip or will the light be green while you are flipping switches?
As far as I can tell, launch control is at least similar to the following.

You set the Launch Control (with a simple button push) at a certain RPM, whichever RPM you think provides the best grip and launch without spinning. The computer remembers this RPM for any time the Launch Control button is pushed again. That way, all you have to do is hammer the gas and drop the clutch and the computer will control your launch at the pre-set RPM, so you launch at the same engine speed every time.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:21 PM   #28
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Of course that would be nice. But I think it will come that close to a corvette. I think IMO

MT - 12.9-13.0 (Average driver)
AT - 13.0-13.1 (Average driver)

It does have lots of fat in the new camaro after all.
Yea I am in your camp on this one. The LS3 vettes are running like 12.3-12.5 with normal drivers. Given a better Drag Coef and its much lighter I would say 12.8 will be about normal for the new camaro. I am thinking 13.1-13.2 for the auto. Reason being that if it is already 2-3 tenths faster by 60 it will not be able to catch the MT since it is lighter with more power and the auto is geared for its most aggresive power 0-60 I think so it will lose more up top to the MT.
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