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RobertRS · 07-23-2014, 01:46 PM

One of the primary things I didn't care for when I test drove a 2014 LS3 1LE was the clutch feel. Firm for the first half of travel and then the bottom half almost falls to the floor. Anyway, if GM was to relocate something it should have been the DIC menu button on the L99 automatics. Try and hit that thing on the go without bumping the downshift paddle.

The Flash · 07-23-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Mammer

I went the opposite direction. I actually added the Lingenfelter return spring on top of the stock.

I just installed my LINGENFELTER return spring this past sunday.

I only experienced cluth return-failure issues twice since delivery of the car ('bout 4 years ago). Had driven it very aggresively but no further issues in the last two years.

Yet having extremely low mileage (I just got to 8,500 mi two weeks ago) I decided to install it just to be on the safe side.

Just noticed a slightly increased effort on initial push and a bit firmer return on the last inch and a half of travel up.

I do not know a reason to take the OEM spring out.

Safe driving,

The Flash

nighttowl · 07-23-2014, 11:09 PM

One thing I noticed while swapping in a manual trans from an automatic is that when I installed the clutch pedal that the factory spring flips near the bottom of the travel, and actually holds down the pedal. ive been thinking about swapping it out to the lingenfelter spring, but haven't yet. I can feel the factory spring in the pedal when I depress the clutch.

as far as removing the spring causing the throwout bearing to go bad, anyone who has had the transmission out of their car knows that there is a big spring under the green cover putting pressure behind the throwout bearing, which keeps the bearing in contact with the clutch fingers at all times.

I had issues with the clutch pedal not returning a couple times, but was caused by poor bleeding and the factory's crappy master cylinder.
I've installed a master from ideal garage and have had no more clutch issues.

two_wheel_mayhem · 07-23-2014, 11:32 PM

It doesn't matter if the spring is there or not, whatever floats your boat. The weight of the clutch pedal won't ruin your throwout bearing.

The spring is there to insure the clutch safety switch remains reliable.

tlevando · 07-08-2015, 02:44 PM

Has anyone else had any more success with removal of the clutch spring? Recently picked up a 2010 SS and after driving the car for awhile just hate how the clutch lets out.

White_SS/RS · 07-09-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tlevando

Has anyone else had any more success with removal of the clutch spring? Recently picked up a 2010 SS and after driving the car for awhile just hate how the clutch lets out.

I took it out, it makes the travel feel more linear and smooth.

olblue75 · 07-09-2015, 04:55 PM

Any pictures of the spring an its location???

White_SS/RS · 07-09-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by olblue75

Any pictures of the spring an its location???

It's pretty easy to spot, just look on the pedal arm just above the foot pad and you'll see it.

JCunningham · 07-17-2015, 03:54 AM

i took mine out and it shifts smoother i think. need to drive it more than 5 miles

Bo White · 07-17-2015, 04:51 AM

The G8 GXP doesnt come with a spring for easier pedal effort.

rviper24 · 11-30-2017, 10:53 AM

Took mine out and like it driving it a lot more, I hated the springing back feeling.

Bo White · 11-30-2017, 11:02 AM

This is with the hyd. disconnected. As you can see its like a pendulum spring. Loaded in the wrong direction coming off the floor.
https://youtu.be/U5FSEtDuys8

xc_SS/RS · 11-30-2017, 12:41 PM

I removed mine a few weeks ago and the clutch engagement is more consistent. Definitely recommend this, and if you're worried get the Lingenfelter return spring. I'm also running that and I like it. It's annoying in really bad bumper to bumper traffic but that is it.

camguynj · 11-30-2017, 02:22 PM

See posts 6&7 on this Vette forum about the dual role the assist springs plays and GM bulletin on not removing it and denial of warranty if removed. Assuming it's also applicable to the Camaro spring ?
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f62/a...spring-115662/

Here's an excerpt

One purpose of the over center spring is to return the clutch pedal to the very top of the stroke to expose the compensation port. The clutch master cylinder has a compensation port that is positioned within 1 MM of the top of the stroke. The compensation port allows internal pressure in the clutch hydraulic system to be exhausted into the master cylinder and also provides for system refill as the clutch disc wears. Removing or disconnecting the spring may allow the clutch pedal to hang at rest position with the piston short of the compensation port. If the internal pressure is not exhausted the CSC may get stroked too far and a clutch hydraulic system failure may result.

The second purpose of the spring is to provide for the designed clutch pedal feel
(ie. make it easier to hold down in stop/go traffic)
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07-23-2014, 11:09 PM	#31
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,806 View My Garage	One thing I noticed while swapping in a manual trans from an automatic is that when I installed the clutch pedal that the factory spring flips near the bottom of the travel, and actually holds down the pedal. ive been thinking about swapping it out to the lingenfelter spring, but haven't yet. I can feel the factory spring in the pedal when I depress the clutch. as far as removing the spring causing the throwout bearing to go bad, anyone who has had the transmission out of their car knows that there is a big spring under the green cover putting pressure behind the throwout bearing, which keeps the bearing in contact with the clutch fingers at all times. I had issues with the clutch pedal not returning a couple times, but was caused by poor bleeding and the factory's crappy master cylinder. I've installed a master from ideal garage and have had no more clutch issues. __________________ "The salesman actually told me to stop getting it sideways during the test drive" 2018 MBM ZL1 1LE - Stock 2014 CRT ZL1 574 rwhp, 537 rwtq - SOLD 2010 IBM SS Camaro VVT L99 w/ TR6060 swap, 489 rwhp, 444 rwtq - SOLD

07-23-2014, 11:32 PM	#32
two_wheel_mayhem Would rather be riding Drives: No car no more Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,750	It doesn't matter if the spring is there or not, whatever floats your boat. The weight of the clutch pedal won't ruin your throwout bearing. The spring is there to insure the clutch safety switch remains reliable. __________________ No dog in this fight anymore. 5th Gen owner 2009-2016.

07-17-2015, 03:54 AM	#37
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	i took mine out and it shifts smoother i think. need to drive it more than 5 miles __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-30-2017, 10:53 AM	#39
rviper24 Drives: 2013 Camaro SS 6-Speed Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Lansdale,PA Posts: 406	Took mine out and like it driving it a lot more, I hated the springing back feeling. __________________ 2013 Camaro 1SS 6-Speed LS3 All stock.. For now...

11-30-2017, 11:02 AM	#40
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	This is with the hyd. disconnected. As you can see its like a pendulum spring. Loaded in the wrong direction coming off the floor. https://youtu.be/U5FSEtDuys8 __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

07-23-2014, 01:46 PM	#29
RobertRS Drives: 2014 2SS L99 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Corpus Christi Texas Posts: 1,320	One of the primary things I didn't care for when I test drove a 2014 LS3 1LE was the clutch feel. Firm for the first half of travel and then the bottom half almost falls to the floor. Anyway, if GM was to relocate something it should have been the DIC menu button on the L99 automatics. Try and hit that thing on the go without bumping the downshift paddle.

07-08-2015, 02:44 PM	#33
tlevando Drives: 2010 Victory Red 2SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Charlotte Posts: 1	Has anyone else had any more success with removal of the clutch spring? Recently picked up a 2010 SS and after driving the car for awhile just hate how the clutch lets out.

07-09-2015, 04:55 PM	#35
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	Any pictures of the spring an its location???

07-17-2015, 04:51 AM	#38
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	The G8 GXP doesnt come with a spring for easier pedal effort.

11-30-2017, 12:41 PM	#41
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	I removed mine a few weeks ago and the clutch engagement is more consistent. Definitely recommend this, and if you're worried get the Lingenfelter return spring. I'm also running that and I like it. It's annoying in really bad bumper to bumper traffic but that is it. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

11-30-2017, 02:22 PM	#42
camguynj Drives: '13 SS/RS LS3 BRM Cammed NPP Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 3,812 View My Garage	See posts 6&7 on this Vette forum about the dual role the assist springs plays and GM bulletin on not removing it and denial of warranty if removed. Assuming it's also applicable to the Camaro spring ? http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f62/a...spring-115662/ Here's an excerpt One purpose of the over center spring is to return the clutch pedal to the very top of the stroke to expose the compensation port. The clutch master cylinder has a compensation port that is positioned within 1 MM of the top of the stroke. The compensation port allows internal pressure in the clutch hydraulic system to be exhausted into the master cylinder and also provides for system refill as the clutch disc wears. Removing or disconnecting the spring may allow the clutch pedal to hang at rest position with the piston short of the compensation port. If the internal pressure is not exhausted the CSC may get stroked too far and a clutch hydraulic system failure may result. The second purpose of the spring is to provide for the designed clutch pedal feel (ie. make it easier to hold down in stop/go traffic) camguynj is online now Report Post