FenwickHockey65's Great Thread of GM Knowledge

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 90503

Sounds like a PR disaster.

Everyone said the same thing about Envision. "Nobody wants a Chinese built Buick," "Boycott the Envision to **** over GM," blah blah blah.



85k units sold later...


I don't like foreign production any more than you do, but the fact of the matter is the vast majority of consumers do not know or care where their vehicles were built. There are a bunch of people driving BMWs built by Bud and Tom in South Carolina who tell everyone they drive a German car.


By the way, there's a hilarious amount of irony in people driving Canadian-built Camaros complaining about foreign production.

[90503]

A Buick Envision is hardly the same as a Cadillac flag-ship car.

The Envision was probably never made in a US factory that closed so it could be made in a Chinese plant, like the Cadillac.

The Envision sold 30K units in the US in '18. 10K less than the year before.

[FenwickHockey65]

Envision is arguably more important to GM's bottom line than CT6 considering its global volume.


And as I said earlier, CT6 will probably get relocated to LGR, GM has already said China is a last resort.

[90503]

The Canadian 5thGen Camaros did not put any US workers out of a job. There were no US plants that closed at the same time the Camaro started to be built. Plus, Canadians have the ability to buy what the build, unlike other places.

GM knew in advance that the Cruze would end, and Lordstown would close. The Blazer got placed in Mexico to save that plant instead of replacing the Cruze in Lordstown.

Hardly the same circumstances as the 5thGen being built in Canada.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 90503

The Canadian 5thGen Camaros did not put any US workers out of a job. There were no US plants that closed at the same time the Camaro started to be built.

[90503]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Ok...figures....well played....It should have gone to the US then in hindsight.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by 90503

The Canadian 5thGen Camaros did not put any US workers out of a job. There were no US plants that closed at the same time the Camaro started to be built. Plus, Canadians have the ability to buy what the build, unlike other places.

GM knew in advance that the Cruze would end, and Lordstown would close. The Blazer got placed in Mexico to save that plant instead of replacing the Cruze in Lordstown.

Hardly the same circumstances as the 5thGen being built in Canada.

When did GM make the decision to kill the Cruze? When did GM place the production of the Blazer in Mexico? The decision most likely to place the Blazer in Mexico was done years ago. Retooling takes time and not just a split decision.


Look I don't like it either, but if the Blazer was to be produced in the US, it would( and should) be at Spring Hill along with its sister vehicles the XT5 and Acadia. Blazer production alone probably wouldn't be able to keep Lordstown a productive and profitable plant at the volume that plant is meant to churn out.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

When did GM make the decision to kill the Cruze? When did GM place the production of the Blazer in Mexico? The decision most likely to place the Blazer in Mexico was done years ago. Retooling takes time and not just a split decision.


Look I don't like it either, but if the Blazer was to be produced in the US, it would( and should) be at Spring Hill along with its sister vehicles the XT5 and Acadia. Blazer production alone probably wouldn't be able to keep Lordstown a productive and profitable plant at the volume that plant is meant to churn out.

Funny how these decisions just never seem to be in the favor of US plants. Yep, the US plants are just too problematic to make work. What a co-incidence and just a matter of bad luck then.


Wouldn't it be a miracle if the Blazer and all Silverado and Sierra assembly came to the US. Might have to search for another excuse to keep it out of Lordstown.

[FenwickHockey65]

I'm pretty sure that as late as last year GM was still planning on a 3rd gen Cruze. It appeared on a lot of production forecasts.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by 90503

Funny how these decisions just never seem to be in the favor of US plants. Yep, the US plants are just too problematic to make work. What a co-incidence and just a matter of bad luck then.


Wouldn't it be a miracle if the Blazer and all Silverado and Sierra assembly came to the US. Might have to search for another excuse to keep it out of Lordstown.

Where did GM decide to build the Sonic? Which plants reopened after being idled?



Several US plants benefited from these decisions. Just because this round happened to affect US plants where they produced vehicles in dying segments ( which again has been a short term decision not giving GM time to find products for the affected plants yet) doesn't mean GM has it out for the American worker. The Cadillac EV that was just unveiled could very well end up in Detroit or Lordstown along with other vehicles based on the architecture it is based on.



You're just reacting to the situation on emotion. No foreign plant is gaining the products the unallocated plants produced.

[ssrs2lt]

It's hard not to be emotional over these closing esp knowing a lot of these people affected.. But like I said it's the game today..

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

It's hard not to be emotional over these closing esp knowing a lot of these people affected.. But like I said it's the game today..

I completely understand that. It sucks for the people affected. But 90503 is trying to connect the Blazer being produced in Mexico and Lordstown closing as a decision made at the same time when it probably wasn't even close to being done in a fashion where producing the Blazer in Lordstown would have even been an option for GM to consider.



What doomed Detroit most likely as well was the death of the Impala. Everything else Detroit produced was low volume. It's like how the Camaro is( or was supposed to) keep LGR sprawling. Kill the volume product that keeps a plant productive, the plant most likely doesn't have long to remain open.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

I completely understand that. It sucks for the people affected. But 90503 is trying to connect the Blazer being produced in Mexico and Lordstown closing as a decision made at the same time when it probably wasn't even close to being done in a fashion where producing the Blazer in Lordstown would have even been an option for GM to consider.



What doomed Detroit most likely as well was the death of the Impala. Everything else Detroit produced was low volume. It's like how the Camaro is( or was supposed to) keep LGR sprawling. Kill the volume product that keeps a plant productive, the plant most likely doesn't have long to remain open.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Blazer is going into the same Mexican plant that made/still makes the Cruze in Mexico. You don't think they knew the Cruze would end? or they are building them simultaneously which was only do-able in Mexico? If the Cruze ends in Mexico, miraculously Blazer will justify keeping that plant open. But having the Blazer in any other US plant was just not in the cards. Emotion? You bet. The overt, obvious moves to produce out of the US and dis the US workers is so blatant, that "this round of blah, blah, blah, just didn't work out for the US" is unbelievable.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

Funny how these decisions just never seem to be in the favor of US plants. Yep, the US plants are just too problematic to make work. What a co-incidence and just a matter of bad luck then.


Wouldn't it be a miracle if the Blazer and all Silverado and Sierra assembly came to the US. Might have to search for another excuse to keep it out of Lordstown.

That's only because you only hear about the ones that DON'T work out. It's like, you don't hear about the planes that land safely.