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11-22-2011, 06:53 AM | #1445 | |
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I too am kinda wanting something between the 2SS and the ZL1, but what you are asking for ain't gonna happen...... no reason for GM to retool for a few people...
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11-22-2011, 09:14 AM | #1447 |
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Folks, I'm goin' out on a limb on this one...and even after a really good bout of the flu, I'm still bendin' the HELL out this particular limb...and say that, since the 1LE showed up with MRC, THAT is where the Team's mind-set is. Otherwise, we'd have seen an updated iteration of last year's SSX...
Think about it...1LE...an addendum intended "for sporting purposes"...beyond mere Camaro abilities. However, this time around, no deletes. And since it was a "show car", it featured fancy threads...that DON'T fit with its "for sporting purposes" intent. "Crossed signals"...but she sure looked "purdy" on the show floor, huh?! OR... Does the Team STILL not fully comprehend this "naming" thing? "Sacrilege!!" the faithful scream. "How can you say such a thing, ol' 'one-track mind'?!" COPO: A limited-availability, limited-production 427 Camaro, one year only. 425 hp for the price of an SS396-375 hp, but minus all the geegaws and flashing neon. Automatic or 4-speed. Any non-conflicting RPOs available. "Have it your way...", if you could find one, or if you can find a dealer interested enough to sell you one. HAVE WE YET SEEN ONE? Yes...SEMA '08, properly identified, but with a flat-black hood... ZL1: A Corvette engine option available in a Camaro...for Corvette+ money...built/intended for ONE THING ONLY...1/4-mile trips to the "WIN" window... And built/intended to be extremely low-volume...50, minumum, and who cares, after that...and, therefore, priced accordingly... HAVE WE YET SEEN ONE? Yes...SEMA '11, only it was called COPO...for the 2nd time... Z/28: Intended to leap over moderately-sized buildings (NOT skyscrapers) in a single bound, and get the hell outa Dodge...or Plymouth...or Pontiac...or Lincoln...around corners and down the streets (of Willow) about as good as any 4-seater has any right to! Stick-only. "Drivers" only. Racy stripes that say, "Clear the TRACK!" Peaky. A lil highstrung (kinda like this writer...). Sometimes insulting but, if so, it was likely your own fault. Generally enjoyable. Never dull. Worth the ride! (OK, dummy, get back to talkin' 'bout the CAR!). Rewarding of a sure hand. (Really?!) More abilities that your typical SS (now we're gettin' somewhere...). HAVE WE SEEN ONE? Kinda-sorta...but that still depends on who's answerin' the question... Since I asked the question, I'll answer it: '08 COPO + (1LE - Fancy Duds). Pedders instead of MR? Fine with me... "So, bright guy, what should the ZL1 have been named, since you're the authority on 'heritage'?" I'm not sure you can handle the "truth"... "Try me, Mr. Nicholson!" I-ROCK! Except the gold chain's missin'... Remember when I said "sometimes insulting, but never dull"?!... Last edited by LOWDOWN; 11-22-2011 at 09:24 AM. |
11-22-2011, 10:01 AM | #1448 |
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No, no it's not. I reviewed the COPO thread and that car has a full tube frame and is specificaly designed and engineered for NHRA stock eliminator racing. A car meant only for the quarter mile is not what I seek. One designed to be pushed hard on the open road is.
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11-22-2011, 10:07 AM | #1449 | |
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I just didn't understand what you were meaning by being able to be pushed on the open road, but yet being basic.... You have to remember that the old cars didn't have the power we have now AND where able to be pushed like we do now.... we pushed those old cars to THEIR limits, now we push the newer cars to OUR limits most of the time..... That is why it was so fun then, we wanted more out of the car because we weren't at our comfort limits..... NOW, I know for me... I am trying to push my car to the limits of just below 10/10. My suggestion would involve the dealer installed options, which I know you didn't really want.... I think we are on the same page.... start with a 1ss base with the option of Supercars (PEDDERS COILOVERS), differential change options, brake upgrade, and motor options..... But those have to be a dealer option addition now.... they can't/wont do that on the assembly line anymore. that is why I brought up the assembly line issues...... The days of ordering the car EXACTLY the way we want off the assembly line are over, no matter who the manufacture.
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11-22-2011, 11:20 AM | #1451 |
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Perhaps I could inject the word "teasing" in place of "insulting"? Or...
I truly admire the Team's use of "heritage" terms. Good marketing. My only whine is with their "proper" application...without rewriting "history"... Some of us were actually "there"...'way back when...which may mean we are NOT "the intended"... |
11-22-2011, 12:40 PM | #1452 |
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MRC integrated with the ECM and BCM is going to be a GM hallmark for safety for years. Couple that with OnStar 911 services and GM feels it adds up to safer cars and a market advantage. Unless something changes, we will be seeing more and more of this. I don't think is was accident or happenstance tht the only suspensions shown for the Camaro at SEMA were MRC and Pedders. It was a statement.
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11-22-2011, 02:01 PM | #1453 |
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I'm either clairvoyant...or Clarabell...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarabell_the_Clown ...or it's the Imodium... |
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11-22-2011, 03:40 PM | #1455 | |
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Now call Katech and ask 'em how much less than an entire ZL1 CAR this mini-mite might be... |
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11-22-2011, 07:42 PM | #1456 |
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Pete,
If we do get an MR suspension with the 1LE and Z28 what can we do Pedders-wise to enhance it? Or, what we would have to do and spend to replace it with Pedders? |
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