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Old 06-07-2018, 05:52 PM   #71
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Someone hasn't told the truth is my impression. That might have came into the evaluation by the dealer and mechanics and worked against the OP warranty plee.
The ECU won't even work without being VIN programmed if I'm not mistaken. The odds of someone breaking in and swapping ECUs with a WORKING ECU programmed to that car but with history deleted. Yeah, odds like, someone stole my wallet and put $10,000 in it then put it back in my pocket while it was locked up.
Are the oil change receipts legit? Did the quicklube place actually change the oil with good synthetic and filter or pretend to change it leaving old oil in it or bulk filtered used oil as a fill? Were the receipts really for that vehicle and were done.
Was some oil analysis or inspection on the engine done by the evaluating dealer that lead them to the conclusion things were scored and it was oil related failure?
Is it a manual trans and someone accidentally pegged 8500 on a downshift.
I realize they aren't obligated to help. I'm pointing out some valid possibilities the dealer and GM might not feel inclined towards charity or goodwill.
Edit: The most common reason for an ECU to be flashed is to tune it for mods. It can be re-flashed to stock. Apparently GM has no record of replacing a defective ecu which would be uncommon anyhow so right off the bat this is all fishy to them. I'm not against them warrantying modded cars if it wasn't the cause of damage but that is much harder for techs to determine so they default to the policy of mod = no warranty. That means either the current or prior owners had modded it or erased evidence. IDK if the ecu records over rpm or if it was run low on oil, low oil pressure from a failed pump etc.

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Old 06-07-2018, 06:06 PM   #72
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Someone hasn't told the truth is my impression. That might have came into the evaluation by the dealer and mechanics and worked against the OP warranty plee.
The ECU won't even work without being VIN programmed if I'm not mistaken. The odds of someone breaking in and swapping ECUs with a WORKING ECU programmed to that car but with history deleted. Yeah, odds like, someone stole my wallet and put $10,000 in it then put it back in my pocket while it was locked up.
Are the oil change receipts legit? Did the quicklube place actually change the oil with good synthetic and filter or pretend to change it leaving old oil in it or bulk filtered used oil as a fill? Were the receipts really for that vehicle and were done.
Was some oil analysis or inspection on the engine done by the evaluating dealer that lead them to the conclusion things were scored and it was oil related failure?
Is it a manual trans and someone accidentally pegged 8500 on a downshift.
I realize they aren't obligated to help. I'm pointing out some valid possibilities the dealer and GM might not feel inclined towards charity or goodwill.
Edit: The most common reason for an ECU to be flashed is to tune it for mods. I can be re-flashed to stock. Apparently GM has no record of replacing a defective ecu which would be uncommon anyhow so right off the bat this is all fishy to them. I'm not against them warrantying modded cars if it wasn't the cause of damage but that is much harder for techs to determine so they default to the policy of mod = no warranty. That means either the current or prior owners had modded it or erased evidence. IDK if the ecu records over rpm or if it was run low on oil, low oil pressure from a failed pump etc.
Well said.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:20 PM   #73
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LOL. Chevrolet customer service just contacted me and said they aren't willing to help me because George Moore (the dealership) said the malfunction was caused by a "lack of maintenance". I told her I have all the oil change receipts from the past five years but she said it didn't matter since they weren't done at the dealership so I asked her to change the reason to "lack of maintenance BY THE DEALERSHIP". I'll bet this could be an issue with an extended warranty as well so something to keep in mind. The dealership's previous excuse was that the ecm had been replaced which I argued against because it made no sense. They seem to be feeding negatives to Chevrolet regarding them helping me with my car without ever mentioning it to me and I've talked to them quite a bit recently. I always hear about their excuses/negatives from someone else first. I never had a complaint about them before and have taken the car into them for the more serious work. Guess it's time to move my business elsewhere.
they seem to be spouting fake news they CANNOT refuse warranty for maintenance done elsewhere. My fleet buys an engine every so often we are denied for lack of maintenance if we cant show oil change frequency not by who ever does it.

Second, where's their evidence of lack of maintenance? have they torn it down ? seems like they're giving several excuses out of their a$$ did they get your auth to teardown to the point of failure?
extended warranty I worked with would request shop to get customers approval to teardown to failure and then would send an inspector out to verify what failed and look for lack of lube damage and or sludge, they are entitled to inspect failure. Id like to see pictures of the failure if its torn down

Third, if ECM looks "new" like they say how can it if Kittt never replaced it its been in their possession since 3K. yes I believe first owner could of done this.
one question Kittt never replied to was this car bought used from a GM dealer? if/when ECM was replaced GM would have data showing when stock tune was reset with GMs program wouldn't they? my point here is if first owner did that and they bought from GM dealer, I would assume car would have % warranty intact that's why I feel GM needs to disclose when this happened
I spoke to Kittt early on over the phone and was told that car was completely stock, never modded by them so I believe it
So Kittt what do we know about what the actual failure is? hole in block or?

sorry to rant, I don't trust dealers as much as they don't trust us
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:38 PM   #74
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^ That is kind of you to go out of your way trying to help get some goodwill partial or full reimbursement.
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Old 06-08-2018, 01:09 AM   #75
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GM generally has been very nice when supporting the ZL1. They gave me a new engine when they could have technically rebuilt it or put in a refurb. Between that and the numerous superchargers, they certainly lost money on my car.

For the OP, unfortunately the car is out of warranty. As others have said, anything GM does is charity at this point and one thing they're not going to want to do is give a new engine, even at discount, when they believe its just going to be abused. They have a hundred years of experience of people trying to get free engines after blowing them recklessly. However, I've replaced an engine and both heads and I'm completely stock, so I can't say that a blown rod is necessarily because of abuse and just not unlucky.

I don't think the dealer has any reason to resist you getting an engine from GM. I think most people would likely get their engine rebuilt from a specialist, if possible, or a buy used engine before working with the dealer, so they'd more then likely lose the business if GM doesn't help.

Whatever you do, good luck. These things suck regardless of why it happened.
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:57 AM   #76
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Something does not sound right. He has had the car for 5 years. Apparently the OP has been driving the car in the 5 years. GM says the ECU has been wiped clean. What does GM mean by this? The OP states that the car was not modded so there is no reason to clear the ECU out. The ECU should have some data on it for the past 5 years.
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Old 06-10-2018, 09:43 AM   #77
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silver sleeper

i agree with silver sleeper. changing out the ecm with another on a global a car is not a novice task. theres imbedded vin numbers to contend with as well as proper calibrations to be installed. it would take a well trained individual with the right equipment for what to gain. sounds like dealership fluff... but you're at their feet asking for help....
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