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[Smokin19]

Originally Posted by frenchsquared

Previous car was a 600 RWHP C5 Corvette. I am faster in the Z28 but its way less fun. The added weight and less power makes for a boring ride for me. I really miss having 600 RWHP. I am fine controlling it on the track, but I just don't drive the car for fun. I want to take it out for a Sunday drive and be able to obliterate the tires like the Corvette would.

Having had a Z/28 with the Vengeance Racing stg 5 kit in it, with Mast heads, I can attest to what it does for the car. Definitely brings the car more alive.

In another post you talked about wheel hop on your Z/28. Putting more power into the motor won't correct the wheel hop you talked about. The Z/28 has smaller axles than the ZL1 and were manufactured based on that output. Also as you know, the Z/28 has a much different rear end for track use. Wanting to "obliterate" the tires on occasion is taking a chance with the whole rear drive.

Even with the stg 5 kit I had, I would still experience wheel hop, especially going into 2nd. I always had this feeling about about grenading the rear end with this much power and would have to temper such driving. The Z/28 does not make for a very good drag car but, with the added power would be better if only tracked. JMO

[frenchsquared]

Thanks for the input guys. I will be checking out wyospeed.

Originally Posted by Smokin15

Having had a Z/28 with the Vengeance Racing stg 5 kit in it, with Mast heads, I can attest to what it does for the car. Definitely brings the car more alive.

In another post you talked about wheel hop on your Z/28. Putting more power into the motor won't correct the wheel hop you talked about. The Z/28 has smaller axles than the ZL1 and were manufactured based on that output. Also as you know, the Z/28 has a much different rear end for track use. Wanting to "obliterate" the tires on occasion is taking a chance with the whole rear drive.

I will never drag race the Z28. I have a B2200 with a 4 link, nitrous and a SBC for that, Im also building a 1200 HP Nova. But I enjoy driving a car with a lot of power and the ability to slide a corner or do the occasional donut. To me a car that hops violently in stock formate is a bad design. As you could see from the other post I plan to fix this issue as well as upgrading the power level. I know way more then enough about cars to know more power will not help the wheel hop. But a Hellcat is $75,000. Seems I can fix the wheel hop for about $1,000 and increase the HP for another $5,000 and save $69,000.

[cmancha003]

The weak link on the Hellcat is the axles. So, if you want to actually use that power (by adding better tires), you will snap the axles. My brother found out the hard way with everything stock except slightly wider tires.

[DasBaldDog]

Originally Posted by frenchsquared

So I am kinda bored with the Z28. it just doesn't have the power I want. I was thinking about getting a Hellcat but I cannot really afford both and will not trade the Z28 for anything so common.

So... I think its time for a cam, headers and tune. Im located centrally in Colorado and I am more then willing to travel but would like to be able to get it done in say a weeks time drop of to pick up. Is this crazy?

My thought is to trailer the car to whatever shop I finally decide on. Drop the car off, get a hotel and spend a week playing in whatever city I end up while the Z28 gets upgraded. When done I simply head home with a faster car.

I think the $6,000 range is fine. Im fine waiting a few months for my spot in line. Im not fine leaving the car at a shop for 2 years. I dropped my C5 Corvette of to have the engine rebuilt. Was at 598 at the rear wheels on a A&A Kit. A little over 2 years later and 3 engines later I delivered the car to the kid I sold it to. Shop left the car sitting out side. Trashed the paint and fiberglass. First engine lasted 3 laps. 2 warm up and 1 hot lap. Second engine blew under 150 miles from the shop. Car is still running on its 3rd engine but it's now an iron block and pretty trashed out. I lost $20,000. This experience is going to make it very hard for me to trust a shop. If the shop cannot complete a cam swap in a week then I wont do it. Ill just buy a hellcat to go with my Z28. Or I will buy the books and do the cam swap myself. I know I wont screw it up more then the best rated shop in Colorado.

What shops do you all recommend?
Are there any shops reading this that can do it in a week or less?
For those who have done this, how much HP did you gain?

I'mma be the voice in the back of your head that you might be trying to ignore.

Sell the car. Its never going to be what you need it to be.

You'll spend the $6k pepping up the motor, fixing the wheel hop and you'll enjoy it, for a little bit.... then your Vette will still be faster, more exciting and you're another $6k into a car that is now worth less because you modded it.

Don't take this as me hating, I'm not. Trying to help you out. Sell your Z/28 for $45k or so, find a used Hellcat if that's what you want (I've seen them that low in good shape).

[frenchsquared]

Originally Posted by DasBaldDog

Don't take this as me hating, I'm not. Trying to help you out. Sell your Z/28 for $45k or so, find a used Hellcat if that's what you want (I've seen them that low in good shape).

Oh heck no.... I would never take the Hellcat over the Z28. I love the Z28 on the race track and the hellcat is a freaking pig. They are a joke on the race track. Just looking to make the Z28 fit both desires. I think the Z28 would be a whole different car at 550 RWHP. Plus there is a lot of pride in having bought the Z28 brand new. It will be paid for in a couple years and I can easily get the Hellcat then or whatever 750hp monster.

I do kinda wonder how much a cam would effect the value, don't think I care just kinda wonder.

[JUSTIFIED]

Originally Posted by frenchsquared

Oh heck no.... I would never take the Hellcat over the Z28. I love the Z28 on the race track and the hellcat is a freaking pig. They are a joke on the race track. Just looking to make the Z28 fit both desires. I think the Z28 would be a whole different car at 550 RWHP. Plus there is a lot of pride in having bought the Z28 brand new. It will be paid for in a couple years and I can easily get the Hellcat then or whatever 750hp monster.

I do kinda wonder how much a cam would effect the value, don't think I care just kinda wonder.

590 RWP (along w/ 500 RWT) and, yep, it's a totally different animal. I don't track, but can easily imagine that you'll note easily be over taken in the straights and can power out of a corner w/ a lot more authority. Very interested in seeing how it performs against the comp w/ extra power and torque.

[Crushinator]

I was in the same boat. Which is why I bought a new Z06. Certainly no cooler than the Z/28 but much, much faster.

[Mark_Z28]

Choice seems pretty obvious. Why bother with a hellcat when you can get ZL1-1LE. LT4 enables you to pretty much have limitless possibilities HP wise bc of the inherent block strength. And as an added plus you gain handling over the Z28. The hellcat and anything short of a GT3 is a downward move.

[Doug Halsey]

Originally Posted by frenchsquared

I do kinda wonder how much a cam would effect the value, don't think I care just kinda wonder.

From experience I can tell you that on dealer trade in you will have to subtract the cost of the upgrade from the price of a stock car. However, if you sell it yourself, then add half the cost to the current value of the car. For example:


Current value: $45,000
Upgrade cost: $5,000
Trade -in value: $40,000
Sell it yourself: $47,500



This is just from my personal experience and is the one reason I'm waiting to upgrade mine. However you might think of getting the new ZL1/LE. I have seen a few at MSRP!

[frenchsquared]

Originally Posted by Mark_Z28

Choice seems pretty obvious. Why bother with a hellcat when you can get ZL1-1LE. LT4 enables you to pretty much have limitless possibilities HP wise bc of the inherent block strength. And as an added plus you gain handling over the Z28. The hellcat and anything short of a GT3 is a downward move.

Again... I would not be selling the Z28.

The ZL1 is basically a Z28 with a smaller engine and a super charger that over heats and gets passed by Z28s. A ZL1 does 3 great laps at blistering speeds but thats it... then its done. As for 1/4 mile or stop light to stop light the ZL1 is as I said 150 HP less then a hellcat. I never understood the desire people have for the ZL1. I would rather have a C6 Z06 then a brand new ZL1. I promise I will over heat a ZL1. Just because some owners are not over heating theres doesn't mean I cannot over heat it. I am not gentle on a track, I'm there to race and push my limits.

A used GT3r is $150,000. That is way out of my price range. I would love to own one. I look at them often but I will likely never drop the money as the repair bills are flipping insane and I have no ida how to work on one.

The Z06 is also $120,000. Way more then a Hellcat and more then I can afford. I like the low price tag and high power of the Hellcat. Also like the back seat. I would drive the car a lot more since the kid could fit as well. If I got a Z06 it would sit in the corner of the garage with a cover on it only to see the light of day a couple times a year. I would like to get a Z06 in about 3 years if I can get ride of a large chunk of my current debt load. But the Z06 would be in addition to the Z28 and possible a Hellcat.

[frenchsquared]

Originally Posted by Doug Halsey

From experience I can tell you that on dealer trade in you will have to subtract the cost of the upgrade from the price of a stock car. However, if you sell it yourself, then add half the cost to the current value of the car.

I am a dealer. I would just sell my Z28 off my lot and likely grab a hellcat at dealer auction, but as stated several times I am not selling my Z28. There is not a better $50,000 brand new car on a race track. I flipping stole my Z28 at $42,000 brand new 2 years ago. I still have 20,000 miles and a little over a year of factory warranty. No way in heck will I be selling this unless Im looking at repossession from financial issues. Nothing wrong with wanting an additional car for more spirited in town driving. I already dominate the race track and don't need another track car.

I can get a used Hellcat at dealer auction with under 10,000 miles for around $38,000. I just saw no reason to go into all the details of cost as that wasn't really related.

[j o n]

Originally Posted by frenchsquared

As for 1/4 mile or stop light to stop light the ZL1 is as I said 150 HP less then a hellcat. I never understood the desire people have for the ZL1.

ZL1 is much lighter than the hellcat. That's the desire. It's faster due to the weight.

Motor Trend tested a 2018 widebody v a 2018 ZL1
-4,489 lb v 3,903 lb
-3.9 sec v 3.5 sec 0-60mph
-11.9 sec v 11.5 sec qtr mile

They said in every measurable way ZL1 is a better performer... accel, braking, and handling

[frenchsquared]

Thanks Guys, I don't want another Camaro, I have had every generation (except 6th) and almost every Z28. This month I had 4 generation of the Z28 at my house. I have 3 generations right now. Oh and interestingly GM wont finance me unless I trade in the Z28. Since I got it at 1% they want me to trade it in before they will give me another loan. I had to go to nation wide to get my Sierra.

The wide body test was not the red eye. The red eye is a lower priced demon. Its 797 HP not 707.

[frenchsquared]

Back to more useful talk...

Why are shops so dead set against installing a cam in a LS7 and not spending $5,000 in the heads? I really don't want to do the heads at this time. There is a big different in a $2,500 cam and tune VS a $7,200 cam and heads package. After the headers I'm at $10,000.

I thought the LS7 in the Z28 did not have the valve issue?
Has anyone done just a cam?