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Ruger2506 · 05-14-2021, 04:51 PM

I know Will sends specific tunes to each customer. But I'm curious how different they really could be.

My car for example. Wouldn't all 2012 2LT with the same modifications be pretty darn similar and be able to utilize a generic tune to improve upon what is currently programmed.

And if so, who has the same setup and mods as me and wants to send me their tune from Will?

I'm dying waiting for my E85 and 91+ Tune.

ChibiBlackSheep · 05-14-2021, 05:04 PM

Sure. There are generic aspects to the first tune when you deal with mail-order stuff. But then it gets logged and altered if the canned-tune wasn't acting appropriately based on how your car took to it.

Ruger2506 · 05-14-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep

Sure. There are generic aspects to the first tune when you deal with mail-order stuff. But then it gets logged and altered if the canned-tune wasn't acting appropriately based on how your car took to it.

That brings up an excellent point I've been meaning to ask. Once I get my tunes, how do I know what I'm missing or what isn't "nailing it"? I'm new to the car game and the performance optimization game.

LCPLPunk · 05-14-2021, 05:21 PM

You won't really...I mean, if your car feels slower/weird, then obviously you'll know...

ChibiBlackSheep · 05-14-2021, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruger2506

That brings up an excellent point I've been meaning to ask. Once I get my tunes, how do I know what I'm missing or what isn't "nailing it"? I'm new to the car game and the performance optimization game.

You log your car while you drive and if it's running super lean/rich or popping codes it gets adjusted for that.

If you have a feel for what is wrong, you can mention that too and maybe it can be fixed.

If you want it to be really dialed in, you take it to a local dyno shop and have it tuned on a dyno / on the street if the shop does it.

Ruger2506 · 05-14-2021, 05:28 PM

Thanks guy, I appreciate it.

Ruger2506 · 05-14-2021, 05:47 PM

Do I understand correctly? My car's ECU will learn a lot of the tune on it's own.

1JEWLDSSRS · 05-14-2021, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruger2506

Do I understand correctly? My car's ECU will learn a lot of the tune on it's own.

No, you load the "base tune" they send you into your ECU, then you drive the car and datalog all the info that the ECU systems sends to the tuning device then you send that info back to them and they adjust it for what they see needs done and send it back to you and you reload the "new" tune onto your ECU, this could be a very time consuming deal to get it right. To save time and aggrevation, as stated above, go get a custom dyno tune and be done.

InFiD3ViL · 05-14-2021, 09:50 PM

It depends on who is doing the tuning and what for.

My SCT X4 tune was a canned tune and about as generic as you could get.

My first 'real' tune was done by DynoSteve. Many would consider his tune a 'generic' tune because he draws from a library of thousands of previously tuned cars with every possible combination of mods you can think of, and usually doesn't require a datalog...and he is smart to do it this way. Why rewrite what has already been written? Generic tune or not, DynoSteve had my car running amazingly and I couldn't imagine it being any closer to perfect for the mods I had at the time. This is possible due to the sheer amount of cars he has tuned over many years.

My current cam tune was done by Ryan at GPI, remotely via HP Tuners. Now, I don't know if the first revision was a 'template' that he uses for cars with similar mods to mine, but it took him 7 further revisions to get it just right, using datalogs all along the way. I was very happy with this as I knew that he was tweaking everything based on each log's result. So I know this was about as custom as it could get for my mods. There are some people that would never go with a remote tune, but I totally trusted Ryan. Sure, I would love to have him dyno tune and street tune it, but I live hundreds of miles away and $$$ doesn't grow on trees. Maybe someday.

Two totally different methods with amazing end results. Personally, I don't give a damn how you got there as long as my car runs at its absolute best and is safe.

L99MARO · 05-14-2021, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

It depends on who is doing the tuning and what for.

My SCT X4 tune was a canned tune and about as generic as you could get.

My first 'real' tune was done by DynoSteve. Many would consider his tune a 'generic' tune because he draws from a library of thousands of previously tuned cars with every possible combination of mods you can think of, and usually doesn't require a datalog...and he is smart to do it this way. Why rewrite what has already been written? Generic tune or not, DynoSteve had my car running amazingly and I couldn't imagine it being any closer to perfect for the mods I had at the time. This is possible due to the sheer amount of cars he has tuned over many years.

My current cam tune was done by Ryan at GPI, remotely via HP Tuners. Now, I don't know if the first revision was a 'template' that he uses for cars with similar mods to mine, but it took him 7 further revisions to get it just right, using datalogs all along the way. I was very happy with this as I knew that he was tweaking everything based on each log's result. So I know this was about as custom as it could get for my mods. There are some people that would never go with a remote tune, but I totally trusted Ryan. Sure, I would love to have him dyno tune and street tune it, but I live hundreds of miles away and $$$ doesn't grow on trees. Maybe someday.

Two totally different methods with amazing end results. Personally, I don't give a damn how you got there as long as my car runs at its absolute best and is safe.

Totally agree, Ryan tuned the hell outta my car, runs like a scalded cat

morepowerjoe · 05-14-2021, 10:53 PM

I had my car tuned by Ryan at GPI also. Then I had it dyno tuned and picked up almost 30 hp. Now I'm not saying that my car didn't run decent on the GPI tune but was just better after the dyno tune and that's to be expected. PM me for more info on this tune from GPI.

LCPLPunk · 05-15-2021, 06:35 AM

That's alot of hp left on the table, how did Ryan tune it? Specifically, how many times did you datalog? Retune?

hunter1660 · 05-15-2021, 06:57 AM

Probably the difference was a safe tune vs. max tune...

morepowerjoe · 05-15-2021, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LCPLPunk

That's alot of hp left on the table, how did Ryan tune it? Specifically, how many times did you datalog? Retune?

I don't really want to say unless you pm me.

05-14-2021, 04:51 PM	#1
Ruger2506 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 54	Are tunes generic? I know Will sends specific tunes to each customer. But I'm curious how different they really could be. My car for example. Wouldn't all 2012 2LT with the same modifications be pretty darn similar and be able to utilize a generic tune to improve upon what is currently programmed. And if so, who has the same setup and mods as me and wants to send me their tune from Will? I'm dying waiting for my E85 and 91+ Tune. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2LT Manual Transmission. -JacFab Ported Intake Manifold -JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer -Overkill 80mm Throttle Body -CAI cold air intake -Overkill E85 Kit -Catch Can -Magnaflow Cat-Back exhaust system -Overkill E85 Tune

05-14-2021, 05:04 PM	#2
ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,085	Sure. There are generic aspects to the first tune when you deal with mail-order stuff. But then it gets logged and altered if the canned-tune wasn't acting appropriately based on how your car took to it. __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS

05-14-2021, 05:21 PM	#4
LCPLPunk USA-1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Near DC Posts: 1,893 View My Garage	You won't really...I mean, if your car feels slower/weird, then obviously you'll know... __________________ "A Camaro in the garage is safe, but that's not what Camaros are built for..." R2C CAI / Apex Scoop / VMAX Ported TB / Speed Engineering LTHs / X-pipe / GPI port/rod-mod intake manifold / Circle D 3200 278mm Converter / 3.91 gears / DynoSteve tuned / 1LE Shocks/Struts/Toe Links / ZL1 Rear Sway Bar / Z/28 Trailing arms / Prothane Radius Arm & Subframe Bushings / BMR UCA Bracket, Steering rack bushing / B&M Tranny Cooler / RX Catch Can / Jannetty Tranny Dipstick / 2012+ Heater Hose / 2013+ Rearview Mirror / Fuel rail flip / Drake shifter / Oil Cooler Delete

05-14-2021, 05:28 PM	#6
Ruger2506 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 54	Thanks guy, I appreciate it. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2LT Manual Transmission. -JacFab Ported Intake Manifold -JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer -Overkill 80mm Throttle Body -CAI cold air intake -Overkill E85 Kit -Catch Can -Magnaflow Cat-Back exhaust system -Overkill E85 Tune

05-14-2021, 05:47 PM	#7
Ruger2506 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 54	Do I understand correctly? My car's ECU will learn a lot of the tune on it's own. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2LT Manual Transmission. -JacFab Ported Intake Manifold -JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer -Overkill 80mm Throttle Body -CAI cold air intake -Overkill E85 Kit -Catch Can -Magnaflow Cat-Back exhaust system -Overkill E85 Tune

05-14-2021, 09:50 PM	#9
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,570	It depends on who is doing the tuning and what for. My SCT X4 tune was a canned tune and about as generic as you could get. My first 'real' tune was done by DynoSteve. Many would consider his tune a 'generic' tune because he draws from a library of thousands of previously tuned cars with every possible combination of mods you can think of, and usually doesn't require a datalog...and he is smart to do it this way. Why rewrite what has already been written? Generic tune or not, DynoSteve had my car running amazingly and I couldn't imagine it being any closer to perfect for the mods I had at the time. This is possible due to the sheer amount of cars he has tuned over many years. My current cam tune was done by Ryan at GPI, remotely via HP Tuners. Now, I don't know if the first revision was a 'template' that he uses for cars with similar mods to mine, but it took him 7 further revisions to get it just right, using datalogs all along the way. I was very happy with this as I knew that he was tweaking everything based on each log's result. So I know this was about as custom as it could get for my mods. There are some people that would never go with a remote tune, but I totally trusted Ryan. Sure, I would love to have him dyno tune and street tune it, but I live hundreds of miles away and $$$ doesn't grow on trees. Maybe someday. Two totally different methods with amazing end results. Personally, I don't give a damn how you got there as long as my car runs at its absolute best and is safe. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

05-14-2021, 10:53 PM	#11
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,093	I had my car tuned by Ryan at GPI also. Then I had it dyno tuned and picked up almost 30 hp. Now I'm not saying that my car didn't run decent on the GPI tune but was just better after the dyno tune and that's to be expected. PM me for more info on this tune from GPI. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

05-15-2021, 06:35 AM	#12
LCPLPunk USA-1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Near DC Posts: 1,893 View My Garage	That's alot of hp left on the table, how did Ryan tune it? Specifically, how many times did you datalog? Retune? __________________ "A Camaro in the garage is safe, but that's not what Camaros are built for..." R2C CAI / Apex Scoop / VMAX Ported TB / Speed Engineering LTHs / X-pipe / GPI port/rod-mod intake manifold / Circle D 3200 278mm Converter / 3.91 gears / DynoSteve tuned / 1LE Shocks/Struts/Toe Links / ZL1 Rear Sway Bar / Z/28 Trailing arms / Prothane Radius Arm & Subframe Bushings / BMR UCA Bracket, Steering rack bushing / B&M Tranny Cooler / RX Catch Can / Jannetty Tranny Dipstick / 2012+ Heater Hose / 2013+ Rearview Mirror / Fuel rail flip / Drake shifter / Oil Cooler Delete

05-15-2021, 06:57 AM	#13
hunter1660 Drives: 2011ss/rs camaro Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: florida Posts: 1,261	Probably the difference was a safe tune vs. max tune... __________________ . OBX LTH,Rotofab,Magnuson Heartbeat.AEM wideband, HP Tuners