With Cam, Headers and Clutch do I need to upgrade axels? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

chfakers13 · 10-19-2015, 08:08 PM

Next Monday my 2015 SS goes in for a Night Fury Cam, SW Headers, new clutch and dyno tune. Already have a CAI intake. Hoping to be around the 480 rwhp mark. Will the stock axels hold with drag radials or do I need to upgrade before going to the track? Thanks in advance for your advise.

Bodywerks · 10-19-2015, 10:28 PM

Shouldn't be a problem. Even the clutch is more than necessary, unless you plane to hit the drag strip every weekend. Guys are running 700-800+ on the stock clutch.

christianchevell · 10-20-2015, 06:26 PM

you should try a new toe and trailing arm combo though to limit wheel hop as it is what really causes a lot of havoc out back......

Joseph1LE · 10-20-2015, 07:47 PM

+1^ I think your axles will be ok if you do a couple things to counter wheel hop.

Jeff_SS · 10-20-2015, 10:38 PM

I've ran multiple times at the track on stock axles. But I've been scared to really launch hard since the stock axles are so fragile. So I have shitty 60' times.
I just recently bought 1000hp DSS axles and they're on their way.
Gonna install those and now I can launch hard and not be so worried that I'll have to get towed home from the track..

So in summary, if you have the extra $1200, do it. It's good peace of mind and good for the long run.

fif_gen_powa · 10-20-2015, 10:53 PM

To be honest I'm more worried about breaking my diff than axles

Save the money on axles and look for a zl1 diff to swap in, they're bulletproof.

1KillerSS · 10-21-2015, 03:53 AM

Are you a manual or auto? Plenty of people have broken stock axles on stock power at the drag strip running manual cars. Autos seem to be no problem.

Taco Time · 10-21-2015, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fif_gen_powa

To be honest I'm more worried about breaking my diff than axles

Save the money on axles and look for a zl1 diff to swap in, they're bulletproof.

This.
If you're going to spend $1200 on axles, just keep saving and spend $2500 on a ZL1 driveline. No more worries.

There's a ZL1 rear cradle for sale in the ZL1 classified section FYI.

376LS3 · 10-21-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fif_gen_powa

To be honest I'm more worried about breaking my diff than axles

Save the money on axles and look for a zl1 diff to swap in, they're bulletproof.

On a dead hook youll break an axle way before it gets to differential. Just do axles and a TruTrac and be done with it. More than enough for a cam only car.

fif_gen_powa · 10-21-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 376LS3

On a dead hook youll break an axle way before it gets to differential. Just do axles and a TruTrac and be done with it. More than enough for a cam only car.

Spend 2k+ and still have a weak diff. No thanks
Spend the money on a zl1 diff and really be done with it

vroomapunk · 10-21-2015, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

Are you a manual or auto? Plenty of people have broken stock axles on stock power at the drag strip running manual cars. Autos seem to be no problem.

Hes talking about a clutch, so hes a manual. Autos don't have the issue because the whole drivetrain is preloaded, its not snapping back there like it does when you dump the clutch in a manual.

1KillerSS · 10-21-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vroomapunk

Hes talking about a clutch, so hes a manual. Autos don't have the issue because the whole drivetrain is preloaded, its not snapping back there like it does when you dump the clutch in a manual.

Single dumbest thing, I have done today!

Completely missed that, whats even worse, is I read through the whole thread twice looking for that answer.....

Ajdin@A2BMotorsport · 10-21-2015, 03:18 PM

Slip the clutch, dont dump it and youll be fine. I have about 100 passes on my car with similar power, stock clutch + stock axles.

Aruns car has stock clutch and axles and has seen a bit of track time too with no issues, though it stinks like clutch after a couple passes, but thats due to slipping the clutch.

christianchevell · 10-21-2015, 06:17 PM

And if your worried about things upgrade some things like the Diff with a LPW cover that is twice as thick to keep the diff stiff as its aluminum. Sticky tires can be a enemy and wheel hop and hard launches. But being smart and wanting good launches the rpms do not have to be as high even as the launch control in the car and be more in the 3500 range and that's the best info I have learned over time. Beef the rear and suspension and you should not trash it unless your trying to abuse it.

10-19-2015, 08:08 PM	#1
chfakers13 Drives: 2015 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hermiston Or Posts: 6	With Cam, Headers and Clutch do I need to upgrade axels? Next Monday my 2015 SS goes in for a Night Fury Cam, SW Headers, new clutch and dyno tune. Already have a CAI intake. Hoping to be around the 480 rwhp mark. Will the stock axels hold with drag radials or do I need to upgrade before going to the track? Thanks in advance for your advise.

10-19-2015, 10:28 PM	#2
Bodywerks Drives: 2015 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Tucson Posts: 866	Shouldn't be a problem. Even the clutch is more than necessary, unless you plane to hit the drag strip every weekend. Guys are running 700-800+ on the stock clutch. __________________ 2015 SS/RS/1LE HSA delete, VMAX throttle body, CAI inc. Intake, PRC255 heads, BTR 660 springs, BTR cryo-treated rockers, PAT G 232/240 .654/.626 110+2, johnson 2110's, Manton 502 pushrods, C5R, Melling high volume/high pressure, Powerbond 25% underdrive pulley, Proform covers, Kooks stepped headers, catless mids, Doug Thorley exhaust. 512rwhp, 446rwtq on a mustang dyno, tuned by Cunningham motorsports.

10-20-2015, 06:26 PM	#3
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	you should try a new toe and trailing arm combo though to limit wheel hop as it is what really causes a lot of havoc out back...... __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

10-20-2015, 07:47 PM	#4
Joseph1LE Drives: 2015 Camaro SS 1LE, 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Miami Posts: 836	+1^ I think your axles will be ok if you do a couple things to counter wheel hop. __________________ 2017 GMC Canyon All Terrain- daily driver/dirt bike hauler 2015 Camaro SS 1LE- sold 2001 Camaro SS SOM M6- sold 1999 Firebird Formula A4- sold

10-20-2015, 10:38 PM	#5
Jeff_SS "Cam Only" Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,709 View My Garage	I've ran multiple times at the track on stock axles. But I've been scared to really launch hard since the stock axles are so fragile. So I have shitty 60' times. I just recently bought 1000hp DSS axles and they're on their way. Gonna install those and now I can launch hard and not be so worried that I'll have to get towed home from the track.. So in summary, if you have the extra $1200, do it. It's good peace of mind and good for the long run. __________________ 2013 AGM Camaro 2SS/RS M6 \| LSA Blower, 2.5" pulley, 10% lower, FIC1000's, Fore Innovations Twin Pump fuel system w/ Flex Fuel, CMS Custom Grind Cam, Kooks 1 7/8" headers w/ catless off-road pipes, NPP Exhaust, 3.91's, JLT ZL1 Intake, Prospeed Heat Exchanger \| Pfadt Suspension, 1LE Sway Bars \| DSS 1000hp axles \| Tuned by Ryne @ CMS E85: 734rwhp/636rwtq (mustang dyno)

10-20-2015, 10:53 PM	#6
fif_gen_powa Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Turbo Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,525	To be honest I'm more worried about breaking my diff than axles Save the money on axles and look for a zl1 diff to swap in, they're bulletproof. __________________ 388ci 91/104 Turbo TH400 8.3@164 https://instagram.com/turbo_ls3/

10-21-2015, 03:53 AM	#7
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	Are you a manual or auto? Plenty of people have broken stock axles on stock power at the drag strip running manual cars. Autos seem to be no problem. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855

10-21-2015, 03:18 PM	#13
Ajdin@A2BMotorsport Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Camaro 1SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Waterloo Posts: 609	Slip the clutch, dont dump it and youll be fine. I have about 100 passes on my car with similar power, stock clutch + stock axles. Aruns car has stock clutch and axles and has seen a bit of track time too with no issues, though it stinks like clutch after a couple passes, but thats due to slipping the clutch.

10-21-2015, 06:17 PM	#14
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	And if your worried about things upgrade some things like the Diff with a LPW cover that is twice as thick to keep the diff stiff as its aluminum. Sticky tires can be a enemy and wheel hop and hard launches. But being smart and wanting good launches the rpms do not have to be as high even as the launch control in the car and be more in the 3500 range and that's the best info I have learned over time. Beef the rear and suspension and you should not trash it unless your trying to abuse it. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop