03-15-2010, 03:35 PM | #1 |
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VIDEO of New Pfadt Aluminum Rear Subframe Bushings, available now!
As promised, we are always in the process of getting the best suspension solutions to market. With that said we are THRILLED to finally show everyone the latest addition to the Pfadt Camaro product line: The Pfadt Solid Rear Subframe Bushing Kit. This bushing kit is available now!
As you can see in the video below, this kit absolutely eliminates rear subframe movement under every condition, be it hard cornering, acceleration or braking. This is essential for drag racers, auto-corssers or road racers. This is another piece of the puzzle to eliminate wheel hop, and any dynamic alignment that the Camaro chassis undergoes do to large deflections in the OEM rear subframe bushings. They are solid aluminum construction and there is no additional noise or vibration with these installed. As you can see, they make an excellent addition to our new Pfadt Rear Trailing Arms! These pieces are direct replacements for the existing bushings, and the install documentation can be found here: http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...stallation.pdf It is a moderate difficulty install, and can be done in 3 hours. Please let us know what you think of the video. The performance benefits are astounding at the least! It really illustrates how much improvement can be made in the rear suspension with our products Give us a PM or call with ANY questions you have! Last edited by PfadtRacing; 03-15-2010 at 04:49 PM. |
03-15-2010, 03:47 PM | #2 |
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Wow! The entire car will soon be replaced!
Great looking product!
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03-15-2010, 04:24 PM | #3 |
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I just ordered mine!!!
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03-15-2010, 11:00 PM | #4 |
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Hey Aaron,
AWESOME product!! I LOVE the video! How practical if I am only working with about 430-450 to the wheels?
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03-15-2010, 11:06 PM | #5 |
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Wow, that's a big difference!
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03-15-2010, 11:12 PM | #6 |
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Just remember guys, if your car is a daily driver and only put it on a track once in a great while, you will hate solid mounts.
They transmit every bit of the road vibration to the frame and it can get very annoying. These are only for the serious racer, not for the guy that hits the track a couple times a year.
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03-15-2010, 11:32 PM | #8 |
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sweet what do they go for??
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03-15-2010, 11:34 PM | #9 |
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03-16-2010, 09:28 AM | #10 | |
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While we respect your opinion, we disagree completely with everything you just said. This is not the case. Have you installed our Rear Subframe Mounts in you car and are dissatisfied? Please give us a call if so. If you are speaking to experiences you have had with other cars, by all means feel free to stop by and take a drive in our Pfadt Camaro at the Camaro5Fest! I can see that common concerns when mounting the subframe rigidly is noise, vibration and harshness in street application. We are excited to say that this product is very acceptable in each area. Because the control arms and differential are still isolated from the chassis the noise and vibration increase is minimal and is a great street upgrade. Also, thorough the testing we have done, we have found that rigidly mounting the drivetrain and powertrain to the chassis has much more drastic affect on NVH. This is why we do not make solid (engine, differential) mounts for street applications on this chassis. Again, these mounts are not only for the serious racer, but also for the customer that tracks his car occasionally, be it drag racing, autocross, or road racing. We pride ourselves on providing functional, performance based products, that are also comfortable on the street. This is exactly what this product is. Thanks! Last edited by PfadtRacing; 03-16-2010 at 06:20 PM. |
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03-16-2010, 11:25 AM | #11 |
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From your website :
" One of the common concerns with mounting the subframe solid is noise, vibration and harshness in street application. We are excited to say that this product is very acceptable in each area. Because the control arms and differential are still isolated from the chassis the noise and vibration increase is minimal and is a great street upgrade. " I want to know actual measured before and after noise and vibration levels, not "acceptable in each area". I know from experience solid mounted subframes on gen 1 and gen 2 Camaro's, over time transmitted a great deal of vibration into the cabin, more than was comfortable for everyday street driving. Although these mounts no doubt offer a huge performance improvement, I wonder just how many street driven Camaro's will find "acceptable" noise and vibration levels, especially over time. Seems to me a much harder isolation material over stock might better serve street driven cars than solid mounting. Personally the performance side of me would really like to lock down the rear subframe BUT only if the noise and vibration I'll experience, especially over time doesn't turn the car into a buzz box. Ed M. |
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Thank you for posting your concerns. While we agree, this information would be invaluable, statistical data on NVH is extremely expensive due to the instrumentation needed to quantify the results in a controlled environment. Just throwing a tape recorder and microphone in the car and road testing will not yield the resolution needed to quantify this. OEMs typically have the funds necessary to test in semi-anechoic chambers, with a rolling road surface. There has been a large improvement in chassis engineering in regards to NVH using computer-based modeling techniques. This can cut down on initial testing costs, and give you a pass/fail metric before you even prototype. Again, OEMs use this type of modeling to predict potential NVH concerns, before the chassis is even made. But this was not possible back when generation 1 and 2 Camaros were engineered. As a result, older vehicles do not typically have these considerations engineered into them, as newer ones are, with the extensive simulation and controlled environment testing. So with that said, if you are going to be at the Camaro5Fest, by all means please stop by and see for yourself! This is really all I have to offer at the moment, until we get some end user reviews like we have for our engine mounts. We will be certain to post up when we do! |
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03-16-2010, 01:18 PM | #13 |
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I posted that video on my Facebook page and already sold a kit.
Check us out (Clic the link in my signature) and become a fan to follow along in the build. |
03-16-2010, 01:57 PM | #14 |
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Wow you guys are making me lean more toward your products every day. Please PM me a price for the mounts. Are they difficult to install? When are your Coil Overs coming out? would like to put together a package including those.
Thanks, Brian |
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