Camaro ZL1 (vs GT-R) Review by Road & Track

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

ZL1 with tons of comfort your clealry not biased..........god....even with adjustable dampers it is going to be a rigid ride because of the springs and sway bars, chassis...

Comfort, as with many qualities discussed here, is subjective. Just because he made that statement, it does not make him biased. Why the tone?

[Deki]

Originally Posted by htp autoworks

King of Supercars??? Where do you get that? Have you already forgotten about the ZR1 and the Dodge Viper (sure the Viper skipped a couple of year of production but will be back this year faster and lighter)? The GTR is not even remotely close to the two. So I wouldnt get carried away about Japanese and European cars taking over.

And to an earlier post about the GTR being aimed at the ZR1, not true. The GTR was built to compete with the Porcshe 997/996.

Are you serious?

[Z Boss]

I'm pleased with the value of the ZL1 in addition to the performance. Plus, which car would your rather own long term considering maintenance and collectability? I'll take the ZL1. And the most important question, which of the two cars would you select to take out on a first date? Show off the tire smoking, bad ass Camaro or the whine \ surge of a hair dryer? I guess that would depend on the woman!!

[Paco]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I happened to pick up an older Road and Track the other day where they tested a 2011 GT500 Super Snake with 750HP. On a perfect weather day with tons of traction compound (their comment) on a drag strip, the Super Snake turned only 11.7 seconds at something over 120. The 2011 has all of the weight saving technology and the better suspension parts which are current. Wiith the 2013 having 100 less HP than the super snake, how much slower will it be than the Super Snake? The super snake had the same tires projected for the 2013 GT500. I can't see the 2013 GT500 beating a 750HP super snake. With so many different cars compared to the ZL1 thus far, I wonder why none have been a GT500?

Been a long time reader but thought I would post up considering I want a ZL1 (13 convertible though)

But......IMO the ZL1 performance numbers probably are not much better than the '12 GT500.

FYI if you think the '11 SS GT500 numbers reflect what '13 GT500 is going to run then you're going to have shocker on your hands when the reviews come out.

Oh well. IMO the ZL1 will be out run by the 13"GT500 but I still love the ZL1 It takes more than numbers to keep me as a buyer.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Paco

Been a long time reader but thought I would post up considering I want a ZL1 (13 convertible though)

But......IMO the ZL1 performance numbers probably are not much better than the '12 GT500.FYI if you think the '11 SS GT500 numbers reflect what '13 GT500 going torun then you're going to have shocker on your hands the reviews come out.

Oh well. IMO the ZL1 will be out run by the 13"GT500 but I still love the ZL1 It takes more than numbers to keep me as a buyer.

My thoughts exactly.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by Z Boss

I'm pleased with the value of the ZL1 in addition to the performance. Plus, which car would your rather own long term considering maintenance and collectability? I'll take the ZL1. And the most important question, which of the two cars would you select to take out on a first date? Show off the tire smoking, bad ass Camaro or the whine \ surge of a hair dryer? I guess that would depend on the woman!!

It does depend on the woman, but at the end of the day, to an average woman, a Camaro is just a Camaro, and she probably sees 10 of them every day.

[tt335ci03cobra]

Eh, I take first dates out in a crappy beater (90's gmc) that I keep as a backup truck. It usually shocks them on a 3rd or 4th date when I roll up in the cobra or my Infiniti in some decent threads.

I have had too many money hungry girls in my life. If a girl makes the 3rd or 4th date, I'm usually not getting that vibe.

Word to the wise, wanna find a good girl? Don't be flashy until you've gotten to know what she's about. Easy way to cut out months of hassle in my opinion.

[IcePick06]

Originally Posted by htp autoworks

King of Supercars??? Where do you get that? Have you already forgotten about the ZR1 and the Dodge Viper (sure the Viper skipped a couple of year of production but will be back this year faster and lighter)? The GTR is not even remotely close to the two. So I wouldnt get carried away about Japanese and European cars taking over.

And to an earlier post about the GTR being aimed at the ZR1, not true. The GTR was built to compete with the Porcshe 997/996.

Sorry buddy but the 2013 GTR is faster than the 2013 ZR1 corvette, however you wanna discuss it, no ifs ands or buts, it is faster. Dodge isn't really competing right now, so no need to mention hypothetical stuff about its faster and lighter than the 2013 GTR cuz it's not out yet, that's like talking about the 2013 GT500.

I hate doing this but I'm going to take a few seconds out of my busy work schedule to post how well the 2013 GTR performs. It is officially a 10 second car now...

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...10_second_car/


I mean I own a very powerful superbike (tons of torque) in a Ducati 1098 and I think 0-60 is around 2.5 seconds or so (if you can keep the front wheel down) and we are talking about a car that weights almost as much as the ZL1 and just puts insane amounts of power down to the ground...0-60mph in 2.7 sec is no joke brotha

That said, for the $$ I will love my ZL1 to death...but one day I hope to own a GTR just for $hits and Giggles

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by IcePick06

Sorry buddy but the 2013 GTR is faster than the 2013 ZR1 corvette, however you wanna discuss it, no ifs ands or buts, it is faster...

I hate doing this but I'm going to take a few seconds out of my busy work schedule to post how well the 2013 GTR performs. It is officially a 10 second car now...

A bone stock ZR1 with stock tires ran a 10.66 quarter mile.

[YourBlindingBias]

You mean ONE bone stock ZR1 went 10.66 on stock tires.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

You mean ONE bone stock ZR1 went 10.66 on stock tires.

Ok, so what number would satisfy you? Two? Five? Ten? 3.14?

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

ZL1 with tons of comfort your clealry not biased..........god....even with adjustable dampers it is going to be a rigid ride because of the springs and sway bars, chassis...

I take it you have never driven one or riden in one. go get in a viper and then get in a ZR1. comfort is all about perspective I guess but they ride very nice for what they do. I though it was more comforable than my Z06 from the passenger seat but mine is 07 witout mag ride. My Z06 is more comfortalbe than my mustang GT with bilstiens and H&r srpings.

I though the ZR1 was more comfortable than my 08 Z51. It was kind of harsh and figgety in certain situations.

People on this forum talk to much and drive too little I think. they have all this amazing information about cars they have never been in.

I have yet to drive or ride in a GTR. I know someone who has one they said the ride can be harsh at times. I am trying to convice a friend to buy one so I can find out first hand ha ha.

I can almost guaranty the ZL-1 will be the most comfortable car to lap like this on the market right now. Until I get min a can't comfirm though. if it rides like a CTs-v and laps like it does it is a potent package.

Now everybody chime in about how comfort does not matter bla bla bla. It is nice to have a car that handles well yet is comfortable. that is what I like about an M3 is it balance of the two. It just needs more power and cost less ha ha. ohh wait maybe that is why the ZL1 appealed to me.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

You mean ONE bone stock ZR1 went 10.66 on stock tires.

I meant exactly what I posted. Do you not understand what "a" means? I don't understand your point.

[htron50]

Not only did it reach 60 mph in 2.7 seconds in Nissan's testing, but it made the sprint through the quarter mile in 10.8 seconds, a full 0.4 seconds faster than the 2012 model we tested in February, using 100 RON octane gas (96 octane using the U.S.' AKI ratings).
Motor Trend simply parroted what they were "told"........