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ARrado15 · 02-17-2017, 02:30 AM

I'm currently installing the PAC 1218 springs and it looks like one is slightly Crooked when installed. Ive tried reseating it but it still looks the same. It's very very slight but is this a cause for concern?

JerTM · 02-17-2017, 10:46 AM

Got a pic?

frankwjr · 02-17-2017, 12:21 PM

=1 pics...and make sure you show what valve spring compressor your using...when I did mine I used a double spring compressor and couple of times when crankin down it got a little off...obvious when the valve tip looked like it wasn't gonna come up thru the retainer...back it back down..adj..all good...

ARrado15 · 02-17-2017, 12:42 PM

Here is the valve

Also, I noticed on the first step two valve that one valve is ever so slightly forward of the other. Will these settle or what?

eLeSthree · 03-16-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ARrado15

Here is the valve

Also, I noticed on the first step two valve that one valve is ever so slightly forward of the other. Will these settle or what?

I just noticed your old post. Thought i would mention this since you complained of VT noise in other threads. Not that my VT is really quiet. Lol.

I notice in this pic that you have an air compressor hooked up into a cylinder and you appear to be swapping your valve springs. You also have some loose rockers. Just as an FYI, you dont want to turn the motor over (by crank or by air compressor force) when your rockers/pushrods are loose on the head. Your pushrods could push into the rocker at a bad angle and cause them to bind or get damaged. Those trunions are known for failing and scattering needle bearings throughout the motor. Good luck.

Btw, the spring without a rocker, looks fine.

ARrado15 · 03-16-2017, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

I just noticed your old post. Thought i would mention this since you complained of VT noise in other threads. Not that my VT is really quiet. Lol.

I notice in this pic that you have an air compressor hooked up into a cylinder and you appear to be swapping your valve springs. You also have some loose rockers. Just as an FYI, you dont want to turn the motor over (by crank or by air compressor force) when your rockers/pushrods are loose on the head. Your pushrods could push into the rocker at a bad angle and cause them to bind or get damaged. Those trunions are known for failing and scattering needle bearings throughout the motor. Good luck.

Btw, the spring without a rocker, looks fine.

Yea my bad. I wasn't using the air compressor to hold the valves up. I put the extension in so I could put my finger over the end of the hose to feel what stroke it was on. And no I wasn't turning it over at this point. I was re-adjusting both sides on that cylinder and haven't tightened it down yet.

Pollock · 03-20-2017, 06:45 PM

I have the same issue. Put mine together and its running. Is that the passenger side by chance. It was as if the casting seat was off. Looks more like a crooked rocker not a spring.

frankwjr · 03-20-2017, 07:20 PM

That is a damaged rocker pedestal..cheap to replace..if more that 50% of the rocker tip is on the valve tip(hopefully more) then should be O.K. but again, I am sure you are like me and want to get it right the first time...save potential ag l8tr....peace out...

eLeSthree · 03-21-2017, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pollock

I have the same issue. Put mine together and its running. Is that the passenger side by chance. It was as if the casting seat was off. Looks more like a crooked rocker not a spring.

The LS3 heads have an offset intake valve. They are supposed to be crooked. Is that what you are talking about?

frankwjr · 03-21-2017, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

The LS3 heads have an offset intake valve. They are supposed to be crooked. Is that what you are talking about?

Look at the rocker itself, it is not sitting parallel to the rocker pedestal...ergo the rocker pedestal is off...replace...

Pollock · 03-21-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

The LS3 heads have an offset intake valve. They are supposed to be crooked. Is that what you are talking about?

I have one rocker that the casting it sits in is actually crooked making the rocker crooked like his in the picture. I assumed GM has a tolerance so I didnt check into to it further but now I am questioning it. Ill tear into it when I have time and post a picture. Might be a while. Have a lot on my plate right now.

Pollock · 03-21-2017, 03:13 PM

https://www.texas-speed.com/p-371-ha...m-package.aspx

Anyone run these?

Russell James · 03-21-2017, 04:03 PM

https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP821101

Something like that may help locate the rockers better. They have a version for ARP bolts also.

Spring wise I would just double check that the correct retainers, locks, and spring seats were used. I'd call the supplier you used and have a different person just double check.... you sure these are the right seats and retainers...

If all is correct, make sure they were shimmed to the correct install height.
No coil bind or interference with valve seal/inner spring if duals.
And I would make sure you are using the service manual procedure for what rocker bolts to tq when on #1 compression TDC. You do half the rockers tq'd, then rotate the crank 360, and do the other half. Don't want to be loosening or tightening on a rocker that is not on base circle.

JCunningham · 03-22-2017, 01:15 AM

his rockers are not tightened down yet. hes talking about the springs. if you do ever replace your pedestals get these. https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP821103
what lift cam are you running. the 1218s are max .600"

02-17-2017, 12:21 PM	#3
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	=1 pics...and make sure you show what valve spring compressor your using...when I did mine I used a double spring compressor and couple of times when crankin down it got a little off...obvious when the valve tip looked like it wasn't gonna come up thru the retainer...back it back down..adj..all good... __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

03-20-2017, 07:20 PM	#8
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	That is a damaged rocker pedestal..cheap to replace..if more that 50% of the rocker tip is on the valve tip(hopefully more) then should be O.K. but again, I am sure you are like me and want to get it right the first time...save potential ag l8tr....peace out... __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

03-22-2017, 01:15 AM	#14
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	his rockers are not tightened down yet. hes talking about the springs. if you do ever replace your pedestals get these. https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP821103 what lift cam are you running. the 1218s are max .600" __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

02-17-2017, 02:30 AM	#1
ARrado15 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 145	Crooked valvespring? I'm currently installing the PAC 1218 springs and it looks like one is slightly Crooked when installed. Ive tried reseating it but it still looks the same. It's very very slight but is this a cause for concern?

02-17-2017, 10:46 AM	#2
JerTM Drives: 2011 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Utah Posts: 1,940	Got a pic?

02-17-2017, 12:42 PM	#4
ARrado15 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 145	Here is the valve Also, I noticed on the first step two valve that one valve is ever so slightly forward of the other. Will these settle or what?

03-20-2017, 06:45 PM	#7
Pollock LT4 M6 Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bloomington, IN Posts: 1,249	I have the same issue. Put mine together and its running. Is that the passenger side by chance. It was as if the casting seat was off. Looks more like a crooked rocker not a spring.

03-21-2017, 03:13 PM	#12
Pollock LT4 M6 Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bloomington, IN Posts: 1,249	https://www.texas-speed.com/p-371-ha...m-package.aspx Anyone run these?

03-21-2017, 04:03 PM	#13
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP821101 Something like that may help locate the rockers better. They have a version for ARP bolts also. Spring wise I would just double check that the correct retainers, locks, and spring seats were used. I'd call the supplier you used and have a different person just double check.... you sure these are the right seats and retainers... If all is correct, make sure they were shimmed to the correct install height. No coil bind or interference with valve seal/inner spring if duals. And I would make sure you are using the service manual procedure for what rocker bolts to tq when on #1 compression TDC. You do half the rockers tq'd, then rotate the crank 360, and do the other half. Don't want to be loosening or tightening on a rocker that is not on base circle.