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camguynj · 03-09-2019, 02:09 PM

I thought it was going to be named the Mantaray ? If it's really going to be called a Stingray doesn't that imply that's the end of the front engine version?

If they make an electric version is it gonna be the e-EEL

JhonnyGTR · 03-10-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by camguynj

I thought it was going to be named the Mantaray ? If it's really going to be called a Stingray doesn't that imply that's the end of the front engine version?

If they make an electric version is it gonna be the e-EEL

snizzle · 03-11-2019, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by camguynj

If they make an electric version is it gonna be the e-EEL

THIS GUY

KMPrenger · 03-12-2019, 02:30 PM

Well this is interesting...
https://www-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...ce-platform%2F

JerTM · 03-12-2019, 03:21 PM

I don't know what to make of that article. It seems to me that engineers are fully aware of how metals and other materials react to stress, not to mention the computer simulations that would take place. But it will likely be solved with a super easy solution, and cheap, knowing GM lol. As far as the electrical issues, that's something GM has been doing for a long time. It will get sorted out.

*DGthe3* · 03-12-2019, 06:45 PM

I was going to accuse the writer of the Hagerty article of stealing info from Autoline After Hours. Pretty much everything that was said in the article was also said the day before on AAH. But then I checked and it turns out that the guest on Autoline was the same guy who wrote the article, so no problem.

As for the issues mentioned, the electrical stuff sounds like standard bugs that pop up when you do things differently. Nothing more, nothing less.

The structural issue ... well, cars are complex. The interaction of 1000 design choices can sometimes produce unexpected results. Thats where experience comes in. However, GM doesn't have too much experience in this area. Minimal experience with mid-engined cars (and nothing recent), barely any better with aluminum space frames, and this variant will have unprecedented power levels within GM. Try to do all that at the same time, and well, some teething problems are all but inevitable.

Its certainly a solvable issue. But like JerTM said, the trick is coming up with a cheap solution. They could go with a titanium frame at and that would definitely be stiff enough. But at ~10x the cost of aluminum per pound & a massive pain in the ass to work with its probably not the best solution.

But thats why you build & test prototypes before selling a car to the public.

hotlap · 03-12-2019, 07:12 PM

Two interesting points...

They are testing a cars with 900-1000 HP. The LT5 isn’t top dog

“The third issue is one with styling; engineers reportedly have to rein in designers in certain regards”. Blowback for recent styling misses?

RLHMARINES · 03-12-2019, 07:32 PM

Styling is usually already locked in at this stage unless someone called a last minute audible.

GM has been working with mix material architecture in the CT6 and the C7 has an inhouse built aluminum space frame chassis so this also will come to pass with regards to the top dog car's supposedly flex issue. This has nothing to do with the base model car being released on time.

We will see but we've been here before with every new revolutionary design change comes challenges.

NW-99SS · 03-13-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

The structural issue ... well, cars are complex. The interaction of 1000 design choices can sometimes produce unexpected results. Thats where experience comes in. However, GM doesn't have too much experience in this area. Minimal experience with mid-engined cars (and nothing recent), barely any better with aluminum space frames, and this variant will have unprecedented power levels within GM. Try to do all that at the same time, and well, some teething problems are all but inevitable.

Its certainly a solvable issue. But like JerTM said, the trick is coming up with a cheap solution. They could go with a titanium frame at and that would definitely be stiff enough. But at ~10x the cost of aluminum per pound & a massive pain in the ass to work with its probably not the best solution.

But thats why you build & test prototypes before selling a car to the public.

GM has been running DP Mid-Engine Corvettes in racing for years - plenty of R&D to go from. The issue is the 900hp version, which IMSA won't allow that type of power in the DP programs.

xc_SS/RS · 03-13-2019, 08:54 AM

Man that's a lot of computers chatting with each other lol should be fun to tune

Glass cracking due to too much hp is more crazy. Sounds like that sort of thing is anticipated though

shaffe · 03-13-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Two interesting points...

They are testing a cars with 900-1000 HP. The LT5 isn’t top dog

“The third issue is one with styling; engineers reportedly have to rein in designers in certain regards”. Blowback for recent styling misses?

I think a lot of people assumed the that C8 and its turbo engines would pump out more power than the LT5.

As far as styling. If it's the engineers reining in the designers than I would say its probably something like this.

The engineers know what the car needs to perform like, but the designers want it to look a certain way which is preventing the car from performing the way it needs to. Almost like they aren't in sync. Like the design team wants the engineers to work around teh design

BMR Sales · 03-13-2019, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

GM has been running DP Mid-Engine Corvettes in racing for years - plenty of R&D to go from. The issue is the 900hp version, which IMSA won't allow that type of power in the DP programs.

Apples & Oranges! Full Race Car, Full Cage in a chassis made 3 different companies.

and they don't run Corvette DP's anymore - GM threw it's money at Cadillac!

NW-99SS · 03-13-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR Sales

Apples & Oranges! Full Race Car, Full Cage in a chassis made 3 different companies.

and they don't run Corvette DP's anymore - GM threw it's money at Cadillac!

So you're saying GM didn't take any learnings from the DP Corvette racing program to build the C8...please explain.

xc_SS/RS · 03-13-2019, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR Sales

Apples & Oranges! Full Race Car, Full Cage in a chassis made 3 different companies.

and they don't run Corvette DP's anymore - GM threw it's money at Cadillac!

Without the knowledge learned from the Corvette DP program I guarantee the Caddy DPi wouldn't be as successful. The Corvette DP's were nearly untouchable when they raced in IMSA. Sure it was just body work over a spec Chassis, but it would be silly to assume GM didn't gather info/data for future race/road cars.

03-12-2019, 02:30 PM	#662
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03-12-2019, 06:45 PM	#664
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	I was going to accuse the writer of the Hagerty article of stealing info from Autoline After Hours. Pretty much everything that was said in the article was also said the day before on AAH. But then I checked and it turns out that the guest on Autoline was the same guy who wrote the article, so no problem. As for the issues mentioned, the electrical stuff sounds like standard bugs that pop up when you do things differently. Nothing more, nothing less. The structural issue ... well, cars are complex. The interaction of 1000 design choices can sometimes produce unexpected results. Thats where experience comes in. However, GM doesn't have too much experience in this area. Minimal experience with mid-engined cars (and nothing recent), barely any better with aluminum space frames, and this variant will have unprecedented power levels within GM. Try to do all that at the same time, and well, some teething problems are all but inevitable. Its certainly a solvable issue. But like JerTM said, the trick is coming up with a cheap solution. They could go with a titanium frame at and that would definitely be stiff enough. But at ~10x the cost of aluminum per pound & a massive pain in the ass to work with its probably not the best solution. But thats why you build & test prototypes before selling a car to the public. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-12-2019, 07:12 PM	#665
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,632	Two interesting points... They are testing a cars with 900-1000 HP. The LT5 isn’t top dog “The third issue is one with styling; engineers reportedly have to rein in designers in certain regards”. Blowback for recent styling misses? __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

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RLHMARINES 1st Civ. Div. Drives: Camaroless for now...RIP "Big SexZ" Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,726	Styling is usually already locked in at this stage unless someone called a last minute audible. GM has been working with mix material architecture in the CT6 and the C7 has an inhouse built aluminum space frame chassis so this also will come to pass with regards to the top dog car's supposedly flex issue. This has nothing to do with the base model car being released on time. We will see but we've been here before with every new revolutionary design change comes challenges. __________________ Swift....Silent....Deadly

03-13-2019, 08:54 AM	#668
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	Man that's a lot of computers chatting with each other lol should be fun to tune Glass cracking due to too much hp is more crazy. Sounds like that sort of thing is anticipated though __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

03-09-2019, 02:09 PM	#659
camguynj Drives: '13 SS/RS LS3 BRM Cammed NPP Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 3,812 View My Garage	I thought it was going to be named the Mantaray ? If it's really going to be called a Stingray doesn't that imply that's the end of the front engine version? If they make an electric version is it gonna be the e-EEL

03-12-2019, 03:21 PM	#663
JerTM Drives: 2011 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Utah Posts: 1,940	I don't know what to make of that article. It seems to me that engineers are fully aware of how metals and other materials react to stress, not to mention the computer simulations that would take place. But it will likely be solved with a super easy solution, and cheap, knowing GM lol. As far as the electrical issues, that's something GM has been doing for a long time. It will get sorted out.