6th gen reliability vs 5th gen- trading 1LEs - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

5th_GEN_SS · 04-28-2017, 11:55 PM

It's been a while since I've posted on the forums.. I currently own two 2013 1LE cars and love them both but am falling hard for the 2017 1LE. The local dealer has one coming in which I've held.

The initial plan was to trade my black 13' for the sixth gen however I'm having second thoughts. The uncertainty mainly comes from a lot of recent TSBs among other issues owners have been reporting. I have very weary of this. Before my 2013s I preordered a 2010 SS and for the first year and a half it spent most of its life in a shop with issues.

Curious what the reiablity is of a recent build 2017 vs the 2013.

Is it probable that some of the 6th gen issues may have been corrected in a 2017 that is a current build?

What are your experiences with your own 6th gens- especially those who switched from a 5th.. Or have thought about it..

Thank you! All input is appreciated!

Galaxy_Stranger · 04-29-2017, 12:44 AM

Personally, I don't like purchasing the first release of a new generation. I waited until I could get a 2013 because I liked the body panels better than the refresh and it got all the updates up until that point. My firebird was the same, last version before the refresh.

Olddudesrule · 04-29-2017, 12:55 PM

I agree with the general philosophy of not buying a first year (sometimes even two). That said, I think it's really too early to compare the reliability between a four year old car and a one or two year old car. My 2014 seems rock solid, and I beat it pretty severally (knocking on wood). I wouldn't jump ship just yet.

ASimmons04 · 04-29-2017, 04:08 PM

This is the main reason I went with a 2015 1LE. I ordered mine basically the last month/week that I could. I didn't like the refresh at first but it grew on me. I'd say wait a year maybe to get a 6th gen 1LE. I haven't heard too many issues with the 6th gens but I didn't want to be a guinea pig either.

Blakester · 04-29-2017, 05:36 PM

I really want to trade my 2010 on a 6th gen but waiting for them to prove reliable. I am worried about reliability issues with the direct injection system and electrical. Both are things I would have trouble with fixing myself and I can see those issues getting expensive once I am out of warranty.

Mgizzle · 04-29-2017, 09:11 PM

You will be fine... the diff, brakes, engine, transmission, driveline and most things are carryover from 2014 vette/5th gen z/28 trans, ats-v diff, brakes from zl1/cts v/ats-v etc. plus the alpha platform was out since 2013 with cadillacs. Also SS came in 2016 so a year passed.

Just go test drive one..... and enjoy it!!!! Its insane, I have no words for how awesome it is.

LT1Zob · 04-29-2017, 10:50 PM

Here's my input for what it's worth. Reliability will be fine as long as you avoid the A8 and get the manual. The LT1 is an amazing beast. The fit and finish however can't be compared to the pride the Canadians took in the 5th gen (I've owned 2 5th gens). I went with a 16 Z51 vette as I wasn't impressed with the 6th gen much in the looks department and kept my 13 1LE. Some of the fit and finish was laughable on the vette, although I took the winter to correct most of the careless and lazy mistakes. Bet you'll find the same carelessness on the sixth gen. A few people I know who bought the 6th did.

5th_GEN_SS · 04-30-2017, 06:23 AM

What are examples, just gaps not aligning and such?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gzobian

Here's my input for what it's worth. Reliability will be fine as long as you avoid the A8 and get the manual. The LT1 is an amazing beast. The fit and finish however can't be compared to the pride the Canadians took in the 5th gen (I've owned 2 5th gens). I went with a 16 Z51 vette as I wasn't impressed with the 6th gen much in the looks department and kept my 13 1LE. Some of the fit and finish was laughable on the vette, although I took the winter to correct most of the careless and lazy mistakes. Bet you'll find the same carelessness on the sixth gen. A few people I know who bought the 6th did.

LT1Zob · 04-30-2017, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5th_GEN_SS

What are examples, just gaps not aligning and such?

I don't want to come across as some ingrate, the vette is a dream come true. But a $64k sticker car (granted, with year end discounts piled on, I paid nowhere close to that) is a serious price. The grille was jammed on the front bumper with the bottom tabs not inserted. This resulted in an odd gap on the bottom edge where you could see an unpainted area that was never meant to be seen. Didn't matter though, I hated the chrome strip Stingray grille anyway so I swapped to all black (carbon flash) Z06 grill and installed it properly. Rear window trim piece was hanging in the driver side. All clips were there but not properly installed into their places. Removed the targa top the first time and noticed the gap between the right A-pillar interior piece was 2.5x larger than the driver side gap. Must have been break time, it was just jammed in incorrectly. Left side of the facia was screwed in so tight that it chipped the paint on the corner of facia. Luckily it was just the corner and not very visible. Took it off, touched it up several times, wetsanded and polished by hand. Had the whole front end XPELed so even I can't find that spot anymore.
Just carelessness really, nothing that can't be repaired but come on, where's the pride? A bunch of that shit on my leased Traverse too, but who cares? It's just a lease for a couple hundred a month. But on a $64k car it's unacceptable.

JacobC1983 · 04-30-2017, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gzobian

A bunch of that shit on my leased Traverse too, but who cares? It's just a lease for a couple hundred a month. But on a $64k car it's unacceptable.

That lease isn't expensive to you or me, agreed. But to a young family buying their traverse new for the first time, it is a ton of money. This kind of carelessness is unacceptable on every level of a new car. I have a ton of rattles and issues with my 2016 GMC Sierra ($55,000+) and it pisses me off too.

LT1Zob · 04-30-2017, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobC1983

That lease isn't expensive to you or me, agreed. But to a young family buying their traverse new for the first time, it is a ton of money. This kind of carelessness is unacceptable on every level of a new car. I have a ton of rattles and issues with my 2016 GMC Sierra ($55,000+) and it pisses me off too.

Oh I agree with you 100%. It's a shame, really just lack of pride. Many rattles can be fixed with some simple itch tape (let's assume that's a design problem) but improperly jamming a grille and A pillar trim into place on a vette, that's not design, that's just being a lazy POS. And this disease spread everywhere now. It's not just domestic, most imports, that 20 years ago had incredible fit and finish are now just thrown together with minimal effort (some just use higher quality trim pieces to hide the lack of shit given in assembly).

JacobC1983 · 04-30-2017, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gzobian

Oh I agree with you 100%. It's a shame, really just lack of pride. Many rattles can be fixed with some simple itch tape (let's assume that's a design problem) but improperly jamming a grille and A pillar trim into place on a vette, that's not design, that's just being a lazy POS. And this disease spread everywhere now. It's not just domestic, most imports, that 20 years ago had incredible fit and finish are now just thrown together with minimal effort (some just use higher quality trim pieces to hide the lack of shit given in assembly).

Couldn't agree more about jamming your grill in....

My truck is waiting on parts for the driver's seat rail that was jammed in incorrectly, and eventually caused the power seat to jam in position... and of course it jammed in position about two inches from the steering wheel so I can't fit in there to get it to the dealer.. lol

LT1Zob · 04-30-2017, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobC1983

Couldn't agree more about jamming your grill in....

My truck is waiting on parts for the driver's seat rail that was jammed in incorrectly, and eventually caused the power seat to jam in position... and of course it jammed in position about two inches from the steering wheel so I can't fit in there to get it to the dealer.. lol

They must be playing a whole lot of Bob Marley "We're Jammin" at these assembly plants. Maybe they should be playing "we can do it, take your time, do it right, we can do it baby"

Antbox530 · 04-30-2017, 11:38 AM

I'm guessing the lack of fit and finish is because the companies don't take care of their employees. I know a lot of factories are using contractors now. How hard would you work when you're not getting any kind of benefits (no retirement, no medical, no paid time off) and you know you're going to be let go when production for that vehicle is done?

04-28-2017, 11:55 PM	#1
5th_GEN_SS Junkie Drives: SIM 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,695 View My Garage	6th gen reliability vs 5th gen- trading 1LEs It's been a while since I've posted on the forums.. I currently own two 2013 1LE cars and love them both but am falling hard for the 2017 1LE. The local dealer has one coming in which I've held. The initial plan was to trade my black 13' for the sixth gen however I'm having second thoughts. The uncertainty mainly comes from a lot of recent TSBs among other issues owners have been reporting. I have very weary of this. Before my 2013s I preordered a 2010 SS and for the first year and a half it spent most of its life in a shop with issues. Curious what the reiablity is of a recent build 2017 vs the 2013. Is it probable that some of the 6th gen issues may have been corrected in a 2017 that is a current build? What are your experiences with your own 6th gens- especially those who switched from a 5th.. Or have thought about it.. Thank you! All input is appreciated! __________________ "Letty" Murdered out 2013 Camaro 1LE. (Old car SIM 2010 2SS/RS)

04-29-2017, 12:55 PM	#3
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,765	I agree with the general philosophy of not buying a first year (sometimes even two). That said, I think it's really too early to compare the reliability between a four year old car and a one or two year old car. My 2014 seems rock solid, and I beat it pretty severally (knocking on wood). I wouldn't jump ship just yet. __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

04-29-2017, 09:11 PM	#6
Mgizzle Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LE 1SS Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,252	You will be fine... the diff, brakes, engine, transmission, driveline and most things are carryover from 2014 vette/5th gen z/28 trans, ats-v diff, brakes from zl1/cts v/ats-v etc. plus the alpha platform was out since 2013 with cadillacs. Also SS came in 2016 so a year passed. Just go test drive one..... and enjoy it!!!! Its insane, I have no words for how awesome it is. __________________ I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.

04-29-2017, 10:50 PM	#7
LT1Zob Drives: 23 LT1 / 19 Z06 / after 6 5th gens Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: MI Posts: 1,990 View My Garage	Here's my input for what it's worth. Reliability will be fine as long as you avoid the A8 and get the manual. The LT1 is an amazing beast. The fit and finish however can't be compared to the pride the Canadians took in the 5th gen (I've owned 2 5th gens). I went with a 16 Z51 vette as I wasn't impressed with the 6th gen much in the looks department and kept my 13 1LE. Some of the fit and finish was laughable on the vette, although I took the winter to correct most of the careless and lazy mistakes. Bet you'll find the same carelessness on the sixth gen. A few people I know who bought the 6th did. __________________ "Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you" Last edited by LT1Zob; 04-29-2017 at 11:36 PM. Reason: Spelling

04-29-2017, 12:44 AM	#2
Galaxy_Stranger Drives: Black 2013 2SS LS3 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 256	Personally, I don't like purchasing the first release of a new generation. I waited until I could get a 2013 because I liked the body panels better than the refresh and it got all the updates up until that point. My firebird was the same, last version before the refresh.

04-29-2017, 04:08 PM	#4
ASimmons04 Drives: 2015 AGM 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: South Carolina Posts: 367	This is the main reason I went with a 2015 1LE. I ordered mine basically the last month/week that I could. I didn't like the refresh at first but it grew on me. I'd say wait a year maybe to get a 6th gen 1LE. I haven't heard too many issues with the 6th gens but I didn't want to be a guinea pig either.

04-29-2017, 05:36 PM	#5
Blakester Drives: 2010 1ss Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Colorado Springs co Posts: 174	I really want to trade my 2010 on a 6th gen but waiting for them to prove reliable. I am worried about reliability issues with the direct injection system and electrical. Both are things I would have trouble with fixing myself and I can see those issues getting expensive once I am out of warranty.

04-30-2017, 11:38 AM	#14
Antbox530 Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 40	I'm guessing the lack of fit and finish is because the companies don't take care of their employees. I know a lot of factories are using contractors now. How hard would you work when you're not getting any kind of benefits (no retirement, no medical, no paid time off) and you know you're going to be let go when production for that vehicle is done?