[isleguy99]

Have a 2013 ZL1 thinking about upgrading. For those who did does the new Z seem a lot faster. The 2013 is fast but never had that pin you in your seat fast sensation. Just curious

[bobby35ny]

OK, I'll give you some info....
I just traded my 2013 Zl1 which was stock and a rotofab on it depending on my mood, LOL.

Here we go............

Inside: Much smaller. However light years ahead of the 5th gen interior. They did a very good job for sure. Bose sound system, not so good, tad better than the Boston that's about it.
Wheels, great color, the brake dust blends well.

Driving: car is 200 lbs lighter, but the car is the sum of the parts, car feels like its 500 lbs lighter. You can really throw around this car if you want.
The car is fast for sure, This motor should have been in the 5th gen, LOL

Exhaust: pick your poison, like it quiet, you got it. like it loud, you got it.

Anything I missed just ask me.
-Bobby

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

OK, I'll give you some info....
I just traded my 2013 Zl1 which was stock and a rotofab on it depending on my mood, LOL.

Here we go............

Inside: Much smaller. However light years ahead of the 5th gen interior. They did a very good job for sure. Bose sound system, not so good, tad better than the Boston that's about it.
Wheels, great color, the brake dust blends well.

Driving: car is 200 lbs lighter, but the car is the sum of the parts, car feels like its 500 lbs lighter. You can really throw around this car if you want.
The car is fast for sure, This motor should have been in the 5th gen, LOL

Exhaust: pick your poison, like it quiet, you got it. like it loud, you got it.

Anything I missed just ask me.
-Bobby

I traded a 2013 ZL1 convertible for my '17. I dropped closed to 500 lbs and gained a roof. I thought my '13 ZL1 was scary fast but the '17 is really, really scary fast! The torque curve on the LT4 is unbelievable.

I second everything bobb35ny stated except for the Bose sound system. I don't thinks it's any worse or any better than the Boston Acoutics in the 5th gen. Both leave a lot to be desired.

Unless you absolutely need to use the back seat, don't hesitate for a moment to upgrade to the 6th gen ZL1. It's one heck of a car.

[OminouSS]

I don't think there is any comparison to my Gen5 SS. it's like I am driving a different brand.

Bobby, I love that color with the night shading in that photo. It is the only color that pictures do justice.

[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by isleguy99

Have a 2013 ZL1 thinking about upgrading. For those who did does the new Z seem a lot faster. The 2013 is fast but never had that pin you in your seat fast sensation. Just curious

Interesting
I wonder what power/tq level it takes to actually feel the "pin you in your seat" sensation. I've felt it as the passenger in powerful cars but never really in the drivers seat...

[Stryfe]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

Interesting
I wonder what power/tq level it takes to actually feel the "pin you in your seat" sensation. I've felt it as the passenger in powerful cars but never really in the drivers seat...

You never feel it as much as the passenger does, because you're focusing on driving the car.

As for "pin you in the seat" power....I personally think that you start to get that sensation around 500-550 whp. However, you'll get used to it, and it will seem slow! That's why modding is a never ending process

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

Interesting
I wonder what power/tq level it takes to actually feel the "pin you in your seat" sensation. I've felt it as the passenger in powerful cars but never really in the drivers seat...

It isn't just the HP, it is how it is applied in the car, the ZL1 is so linear in its power that you don't "feel" it like you would a car with a solid axle, etc. Like driving an SS and a ZL1. The ZL1 has more power, but you feel the less power of the SS more.

[camaromike77]

Interesting Thread........ I enjoyed reading over the Posts.......

[Hammerli]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

Interesting
I wonder what power/tq level it takes to actually feel the "pin you in your seat" sensation. I've felt it as the passenger in powerful cars but never really in the drivers seat...

If you have never driven a Porsche with launch control, go test drive a 911 Turbo S. Put it in launch control, and as it is bouncing the revs, release the brake without tensing up and you should get that feeling in your stomach. Problem is once you've done it a few times you'll be used to it, won't feel anything, and 0-60 in 2.6 sec. won't seem fast anymore. Then you are in trouble.

[Lafourche1]

Just as a point of interest, I believe that it is the torque that gives you that pinned to the seat feeling. Typically torques does most of the tire melting, as well.


Engine horsepower is measured using a dynamometer. The dynamometer places a load on the engine and measures the twisting force the engine crankshaft places against the load. The load is usually a brake preventing the wheels from spinning.
What the dynamometer is really doing, however, is measuring the torque output of the engine. In a vehicle, torque is measured at various engine speeds, or revolutions per minute (RPM). These two numbers are fed into a formula -- torque times RPM divided by 5,252 -- to arrive at horsepower. The Society of Automotive Engineers has two standards for determining horsepower: net and gross. Gross horsepower removes most loads from the engine, including emission controls, before testing. Net horsepower is what's found by testing the same kind of stock vehicle you'd find at the showroom, and that's the measurement now used in advertising and manufacturer literature.

Horsepower is determined from torque because torque is easier to measure. Torque is defined specifically as a rotating force that may or may not result in motion. It's measured as the amount of force multiplied by the length of the lever through which it acts. For example, if you use a one-foot-long wrench to apply 10 pounds of force to a bolt head, you're generating 10-pound-feet of torque.

Torque, as mentioned above, can be generated without moving an object. However, when it does move an object, it then becomes "work," and this is what most people think of when they think of torque (usually in terms of towing). The more torque produced by an engine, the more work potential it has.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differ...horsepower.htm

[sdmcss]

Originally Posted by camaromike77

Interesting Thread........ I enjoyed reading over the Posts.......

+1

[vy427]

Regarding the new interior, how is it looking over the gauge binnacle? I call it the Double-D dash, lol. Seems like it's too broad/high. Is it noticeable/bothersome while driving? TIA

[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by Hammerli

If you have never driven a Porsche with launch control, go test drive a 911 Turbo S. Put it in launch control, and as it is bouncing the revs, release the brake without tensing up and you should get that feeling in your stomach. Problem is once you've done it a few times you'll be used to it, won't feel anything, and 0-60 in 2.6 sec. won't seem fast anymore. Then you are in trouble.

Sounds fun and I think you're right!
The closest to that Ive felt is riding the Top fuel dragster roller coaster at Cedar Point which launches you from 0-120 in 3 sec. Now that pinned me to my seat. The second time I rode it, it seemed to not pull as hard.

The most powerful cars I've driven are a Lambo Hurrican and bolt on C6Z06. Both pulled me back as the revs increased but I wouldn't say I was pinned to the seat, which is a subjective sensation.

Looking at videos online, it looks like the Tesla P100 will pin your head to the seat. That thing puts down like 900 wheel torque at 0 rpm.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...epower-torque/

Just as a point of interest, I believe that it is the torque that gives you that pinned to the seat feeling. Typically torques does most of the tire melting, as well.

From my understanding torque is what you actually feel not horsepower. Other factors are gearing, weight, torque curve.

[Ipockalypse]

Originally Posted by vy427

Regarding the new interior, how is it looking over the gauge binnacle? I call it the Double-D dash, lol. Seems like it's too broad/high. Is it noticeable/bothersome while driving? TIA

I traded in my built '13 2SS/RS (502rwhp) for the '17 ZL1 and it's absolutely a better car & I have no problems seeing over the Double-D dash either lol