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race24x · 03-06-2019, 05:25 PM

So I was thinking today on a long drive. A SC causes a parasitic loss of power to turn it. SO just making numbers up lets say your car makes 550 RWHP with 7 psi using a SC. The SC would be using 100 HP to make that 550 number right. Your engine is actually doing the work for 650 RWHP as far as wear and tear and abuse on the motor. If you have a turbo and you make 7psi wouldnt the engine make 650 RWHP with the same amount of boost? Or you could reduce the boost and make 550 RWHP and have less wear and tear on your motor? Just something that popped into my head while bored today.

mrimpala02 · 03-06-2019, 05:37 PM

Lol! Your thought process is on the right track, but there is some parasitic loss associated with turbos. They are much more efficient than a SC for sure though.

race24x · 03-06-2019, 05:41 PM

I started looking online I want something between like the Turbonetics stage 1 and stage 2. More than 615 CHP and less than 1000 CHP. I would even sell my SC and go this route easier on motor and more HP from the same boost.

ZZZTOPZZZ · 03-06-2019, 06:28 PM

I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up.

camarosspower · 03-06-2019, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZZTOPZZZ

I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up.

2step and trans brake??

mrimpala02 · 03-06-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZZTOPZZZ

I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up.

here we go.

How about a properly sized turbo (not too small not too big)? The problem with most turbo setup is too much turbo or not enough engine, and lack of proper seat time.

ZZZTOPZZZ · 03-06-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by camarosspower

2step and trans brake??

aaaannnddd, I suppose you'll want at least 1 car length? lol

Scuzz · 03-06-2019, 08:19 PM

I've had both. I had superchargers on my Camaro from 600rwhp to 1050rwhp. And now I have turbos at 1300+.

If your target is 600-800 go supercharger. If you want more then 800 go turbos.

Supercharger builds are much simpler then turbos. Less little odds and ends. Also if you stay at say 700rwhp you have more area under the power curve vs a turbo build at the same power. They bring the power on differently. maybe you dont like the power down low.

dreksnot · 03-06-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZZTOPZZZ

I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up.

ok....

hammdo · 03-06-2019, 09:26 PM

^^^

I was waiting for you ;o)

Call out at CFest!

-Don

Moreair1 · 03-06-2019, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hammdo

^^^

I was waiting for you ;o)

Call out at CFest!

-Don

Lol, there is a couple 9 second turbo cars I'm waiting to hear there reply as well

fif_gen_powa · 03-06-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZZTOPZZZ

I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up.

lol ok so whats your best time slip lets see it

race24x · 03-07-2019, 09:04 AM

Sorry guys apparently this is a sore subject. I am not trying to start shit. I honestly was riding along and my mind wanders when I am bored. I would like to know more about similar cars one turbo one SC and why the SC would be faster. NOT same HP but same mods. So a turbo car making 7 psi vs a SC car making 7 psi. My car is stock with a SC making 7psi and I have 547 RWHP. My theory is that my motor is doing the work for about 647 RWHP but the parasitic loss of the SC is costing me 100 RWHP. With a turbo making 7psi I assume I would make about 625 HP with my motor doing the same work because the psi is the same. Maybe I am off on my numbers I dont know the exact parasitic loss of either. given those parameters I assumed the turbo car with almost 75 more HP would be faster, but the power delivery can make a difference. I am not just talking drag racing either. I doubt I would get enough money for my SC to get a turbo anyway. I was just thinking and wanted to talk with knowledgeable people about my theory.

Yellow 1 · 03-07-2019, 04:19 PM

Simple physics really; a SC is direct drive so delivers instant boost. Turbo is gas-driven; takes marginally longer to spool up the impeller. Same end result, more O2 forced into the cylinder. Blower deffo quicker off the pad but at the gate it could go the turbo's way if it's matched correctly. Better gas mileage with a turbo but it's all about the look. And that whine - addictive.

03-06-2019, 05:25 PM	#1
race24x Drives: 80 Z28 - 93 Z28 - 14 Camaro SS-RS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Fayette Maine Posts: 387	Turbo VS Supercharger So I was thinking today on a long drive. A SC causes a parasitic loss of power to turn it. SO just making numbers up lets say your car makes 550 RWHP with 7 psi using a SC. The SC would be using 100 HP to make that 550 number right. Your engine is actually doing the work for 650 RWHP as far as wear and tear and abuse on the motor. If you have a turbo and you make 7psi wouldnt the engine make 650 RWHP with the same amount of boost? Or you could reduce the boost and make 550 RWHP and have less wear and tear on your motor? Just something that popped into my head while bored today.

03-06-2019, 05:37 PM	#2
mrimpala02 Drives: Black 2SS RS w/White Stripes Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 775	Lol! Your thought process is on the right track, but there is some parasitic loss associated with turbos. They are much more efficient than a SC for sure though. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS "ChriSStine": Pat G Custom Turbo CamMotion Camshaft \| AGP TT BB Garrett 62/65's \| AGP/Fore Triple Pumps \| ID1700X Injectors \| Alky Control Twin Nozzle Meth \| Custom 3" Exhaust \| 3.27 gear set w/ Tru Trac \| McLeod Twin RXT \| Barton Short Throw Shifter \| 6th Gen ZL1 Wheels \| BMR 1.4" drop springs \| Pfadt rear trailing arms & tie rods \| Installed by Me & Tuned by Pat G

03-06-2019, 06:28 PM	#4
ZZZTOPZZZ Drives: 2013 L99 2SS Vert Join Date: May 2016 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 100	I'd like to start an argument. Take to 2 cars, both equally equipped, one with a SC and the the other with turbo. Who do you think will win in the quarter? My money is on the SC and I've got the ride to back it up. __________________ ProCharger Stage II - Stainless Works Headers - Long Pipes & Cats - ZL1 Fuel Pump - Cam On The Way Next Spring

03-06-2019, 08:19 PM	#8
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	I've had both. I had superchargers on my Camaro from 600rwhp to 1050rwhp. And now I have turbos at 1300+. If your target is 600-800 go supercharger. If you want more then 800 go turbos. Supercharger builds are much simpler then turbos. Less little odds and ends. Also if you stay at say 700rwhp you have more area under the power curve vs a turbo build at the same power. They bring the power on differently. maybe you dont like the power down low. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”

03-06-2019, 09:26 PM	#10
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	^^^ I was waiting for you ;o) Call out at CFest! -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

03-06-2019, 05:41 PM	#3
race24x Drives: 80 Z28 - 93 Z28 - 14 Camaro SS-RS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Fayette Maine Posts: 387	I started looking online I want something between like the Turbonetics stage 1 and stage 2. More than 615 CHP and less than 1000 CHP. I would even sell my SC and go this route easier on motor and more HP from the same boost.

03-07-2019, 09:04 AM	#13
race24x Drives: 80 Z28 - 93 Z28 - 14 Camaro SS-RS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Fayette Maine Posts: 387	Sorry guys apparently this is a sore subject. I am not trying to start shit. I honestly was riding along and my mind wanders when I am bored. I would like to know more about similar cars one turbo one SC and why the SC would be faster. NOT same HP but same mods. So a turbo car making 7 psi vs a SC car making 7 psi. My car is stock with a SC making 7psi and I have 547 RWHP. My theory is that my motor is doing the work for about 647 RWHP but the parasitic loss of the SC is costing me 100 RWHP. With a turbo making 7psi I assume I would make about 625 HP with my motor doing the same work because the psi is the same. Maybe I am off on my numbers I dont know the exact parasitic loss of either. given those parameters I assumed the turbo car with almost 75 more HP would be faster, but the power delivery can make a difference. I am not just talking drag racing either. I doubt I would get enough money for my SC to get a turbo anyway. I was just thinking and wanted to talk with knowledgeable people about my theory.

03-07-2019, 04:19 PM	#14
Yellow 1 Grumpy Grey-haired Guy Drives: Camaro, Corvette & Merc C300(daily) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: South Warwickshire, UK. Posts: 806 View My Garage	Simple physics really; a SC is direct drive so delivers instant boost. Turbo is gas-driven; takes marginally longer to spool up the impeller. Same end result, more O2 forced into the cylinder. Blower deffo quicker off the pad but at the gate it could go the turbo's way if it's matched correctly. Better gas mileage with a turbo but it's all about the look. And that whine - addictive. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------