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Jazzzed · 09-15-2017, 06:34 PM

How did the spark plug get impacted? I don't see how that could happen even if the engine is out of time. Thats a fixed distance.

Silver14 · 09-15-2017, 06:46 PM

Did you order an adjustable timing set? Notice how in your pictures the crank key points to 3 o'clock and every other picture on Google is between 1-2?
If it's an adjustable set like the one pictured, it sounds like they installed the crank gear using the incorrect key slot like Steve1018 said.

Steve1018 · 09-15-2017, 08:00 PM

You need to have they key in the same number slot as you align the cam dot with.

It looks like they key is where I circled red, it should be in the green. BOTH at 0.

SquawkVFR · 09-15-2017, 09:15 PM

As this thread moves along, I'm gaining much more respect for my builder and understanding labor costs a little better.

Steve1018 · 09-15-2017, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzzed

How did the spark plug get impacted? I don't see how that could happen even if the engine is out of time. Thats a fixed distance.

Judging by the last few pictures with multiple valve dents I'd say he had a valve break off at the stem. Its probably lodged in the head.

Cymatic · 09-15-2017, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1018

You need to have they key in the same number slot as you align the cam dot with.

It looks like they key is where I circled red, it should be in the green. BOTH at 0.

Look at this picture you can see and it's lined up correctly

https://ibb.co/dBwM15

Steve1018 · 09-15-2017, 10:20 PM

I can see you have the "0 tooth mark" lined up with the cam. What appears to not be correct is the slot the crankshaft keyway is in. It must also be at the 0 mark. There is 2 corresponding marks on the crank sprocket. Slide off the oil pump drive and take a picture.

Gunmetal Speedster · 09-16-2017, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquawkVFR

As this thread moves along, I'm gaining much more respect for my builder and understanding labor costs a little better.

frankwjr · 09-16-2017, 07:18 AM

no replacement for experience...

CFD · 09-16-2017, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cymatic

Look at this picture you can see and it's lined up correctly

https://ibb.co/dBwM15

From what I can see and as mentioned I think you are missing the point and focusing only on the zero mark. Here is a picture of mine, if you notice when lined up the crank key is at about 2 o'clock, yours appears to be at 3 o'clock indicating the wrong keyway slot was used

snarky · 09-16-2017, 09:33 AM

i bought a lot of crap from summit years ago. fast free shipping. but switched to jegs for no particular reason. good luck with whatever...

Steve1018 · 09-16-2017, 09:52 AM

Found a good picture to illustrate

Silver14 · 09-16-2017, 10:29 AM

Awesome picture, and thanks for taking the time to spell it out Steve!

Steve1018 · 09-16-2017, 11:14 AM

Situation sucks OP I feel for you. At this point you have to pull the heads and evaluate the damage. Looks like based on the pictures you are going to have some head damage. You really need to have a good look at the pistons too. On the bright side it looks like some ported heads are in your future!

Get it apart and see where you are at, post results and let the wealth of knowledge on these forums help you move forward. It's an expensive lesson to learn but you won't make that mistake again. Good luck OP

09-15-2017, 06:34 PM	#15
Jazzzed Drives: 2015 Camaro LT Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Fox Lake, IL Posts: 393	How did the spark plug get impacted? I don't see how that could happen even if the engine is out of time. Thats a fixed distance. __________________

09-15-2017, 08:00 PM	#17
Steve1018 Drives: 2012 Camaro SS2 Ls3 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 33	You need to have they key in the same number slot as you align the cam dot with. It looks like they key is where I circled red, it should be in the green. BOTH at 0. __________________ 2012 LS-3 M6 - Tsp 229/244 .629/.615 112+3 - Johnson 2116lsr's - Manton 11/32 Pushrods - CHE Trunnions - BTR 660's - Rollermaster chain kit - TSP Lt's and exhaust - TSP Tune

09-15-2017, 10:20 PM	#21
Steve1018 Drives: 2012 Camaro SS2 Ls3 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 33	I can see you have the "0 tooth mark" lined up with the cam. What appears to not be correct is the slot the crankshaft keyway is in. It must also be at the 0 mark. There is 2 corresponding marks on the crank sprocket. Slide off the oil pump drive and take a picture. __________________ 2012 LS-3 M6 - Tsp 229/244 .629/.615 112+3 - Johnson 2116lsr's - Manton 11/32 Pushrods - CHE Trunnions - BTR 660's - Rollermaster chain kit - TSP Lt's and exhaust - TSP Tune

09-16-2017, 07:18 AM	#23
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	no replacement for experience... __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

09-16-2017, 09:33 AM	#25
snarky ultracrepidarianism Drives: '14 1SS/RS/1LE/NPP '18 Accord Sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: where folks drive like shit Posts: 1,297	i bought a lot of crap from summit years ago. fast free shipping. but switched to jegs for no particular reason. good luck with whatever... __________________

09-15-2017, 06:46 PM	#16
Silver14 Drives: 2014 SIM 2SS Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 925	Did you order an adjustable timing set? Notice how in your pictures the crank key points to 3 o'clock and every other picture on Google is between 1-2? If it's an adjustable set like the one pictured, it sounds like they installed the crank gear using the incorrect key slot like Steve1018 said.

09-15-2017, 09:15 PM	#18
SquawkVFR Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: May 2014 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,971	As this thread moves along, I'm gaining much more respect for my builder and understanding labor costs a little better.

09-16-2017, 09:52 AM	#26
Steve1018 Drives: 2012 Camaro SS2 Ls3 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 33	Found a good picture to illustrate __________________ 2012 LS-3 M6 - Tsp 229/244 .629/.615 112+3 - Johnson 2116lsr's - Manton 11/32 Pushrods - CHE Trunnions - BTR 660's - Rollermaster chain kit - TSP Lt's and exhaust - TSP Tune

09-16-2017, 10:29 AM	#27
Silver14 Drives: 2014 SIM 2SS Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 925	Awesome picture, and thanks for taking the time to spell it out Steve!

09-16-2017, 11:14 AM	#28
Steve1018 Drives: 2012 Camaro SS2 Ls3 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 33	Situation sucks OP I feel for you. At this point you have to pull the heads and evaluate the damage. Looks like based on the pictures you are going to have some head damage. You really need to have a good look at the pistons too. On the bright side it looks like some ported heads are in your future! Get it apart and see where you are at, post results and let the wealth of knowledge on these forums help you move forward. It's an expensive lesson to learn but you won't make that mistake again. Good luck OP __________________ 2012 LS-3 M6 - Tsp 229/244 .629/.615 112+3 - Johnson 2116lsr's - Manton 11/32 Pushrods - CHE Trunnions - BTR 660's - Rollermaster chain kit - TSP Lt's and exhaust - TSP Tune