How METH is too much??? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

scv_guy · 05-13-2016, 04:33 PM

OK so I have a single turbo setup (details in my sig) and currently running a single nozzle meth system. car runs great, but I was thinking about upgrading to a dual nozzle meth setup. I know I will have to retune WOT, but is there a point when your spraying to much meth? My thoughts are more octane the better

I'm running 100% meth, any input would be great.

1KillerSS · 05-13-2016, 06:26 PM

No need for a second nozzle till your up past 800whp.

Unavowed · 05-13-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

No need for a second nozzle till your up past 800whp.

Agreed. OP, what are the details of your built trans?

kevin87turbot · 05-13-2016, 11:40 PM

I have the same setup as you. I chose the dual nozzle meth kit so that the additional meth would supplement my fuel system. I've only got a ZL1 pump and am pushing it close to its limit. It won't hurt to have the additional meth there as long as you're tuned for it.

1KillerSS · 05-14-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin87turbot

I have the same setup as you. I chose the dual nozzle meth kit so that the additional meth would supplement my fuel system. I've only got a ZL1 pump and am pushing it close to its limit. It won't hurt to have the additional meth there as long as you're tuned for it.

That is really not a very smart way to do it, better getting a BAP. You don't want setup to "depend" on meth. You want it to help with IAT's and detonation, not because your running out of fuel. If your meth fails then....

scv_guy · 05-14-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unavowed

Agreed. OP, what are the details of your built trans?

The trans build was pretty straight forward
Tig welded both TWS, billet shafts and Alto red eagle clutches, and new billet pump. The only factor part used was the transmission case.

Unreal · 05-14-2016, 07:57 PM

No need for dual until 850+rwhp. Even then I would just do dual 10s instead of a 10 and 15.

LS3 SS · 05-14-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin87turbot

I have the same setup as you. I chose the dual nozzle meth kit so that the additional meth would supplement my fuel system. I've only got a ZL1 pump and am pushing it close to its limit. It won't hurt to have the additional meth there as long as you're tuned for it.

Never understood why people spend so much money on a turbo or blower setup, and then cheap out on a zl1 pump. If that pump fails and your tune/WOT AFR is meth dependant, your motor is gone.

Nitroman28 · 05-14-2016, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LS3 SS

Never understood why people spend so much money on a turbo or blower setup, and then cheap out on a zl1 pump. If that pump fails and your tune/WOT AFR is meth dependant, your motor is gone.

Using meth doesn't mean you went cheap on the fuel system. FI can make a lot of heat so you need it to help keep IAT's down. And some want to stay with pump gas. On 91-93 you can buy the biggest FP you can find and its not going to help with the octane. I have a Squash system in my car and I still run meth. If I switched to race gas I would just use it to cool.

1KillerSS · 05-15-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitroman28

Using meth doesn't mean you went cheap on the fuel system. FI can make a lot of heat so you need it to help keep IAT's down. And some want to stay with pump gas. On 91-93 you can buy the biggest FP you can find and its not going to help with the octane. I have a Squash system in my car and I still run meth. If I switched to race gas I would just use it to cool.

Agreed, however a single nozzle system can manage all of that until your pushing past 800whp. No need for dual, IMO it just creates a meth dependent engine.

GetYouOne · 05-15-2016, 03:59 PM

Just went with the alky control with AIS trunk tank. Single nozzle setup.

Rdunn · 05-15-2016, 04:44 PM

im still running a single nozzle at 1100rwhp

Nitroman28 · 05-15-2016, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

Agreed, however a single nozzle system can manage all of that until your pushing past 800whp. No need for dual, IMO it just creates a meth dependent engine.

Now for the single to dual nozzle. Single can put out plenty of meth. I switched to a dual for a new setup with #10 nozzles and it's a lot of meth. Going to remove one of my nozzles.

1KillerSS · 05-15-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdunn

im still running a single nozzle at 1100rwhp

I didn't mean to say that you "had" to go to twin after 800. I should have clarified that. That just proves my point though.

Plus you have Dave Steck tuning on your car.....that's just not fair!

05-13-2016, 06:26 PM	#2
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	No need for a second nozzle till your up past 800whp. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855

05-13-2016, 11:40 PM	#4
kevin87turbot Drives: 2012 Camaro 1SS with Turbonetics Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ripley, MS Posts: 47	I have the same setup as you. I chose the dual nozzle meth kit so that the additional meth would supplement my fuel system. I've only got a ZL1 pump and am pushing it close to its limit. It won't hurt to have the additional meth there as long as you're tuned for it. __________________ 2012 1SS...in the 10's...but not fast enough yet.

05-14-2016, 07:57 PM	#7
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	No need for dual until 850+rwhp. Even then I would just do dual 10s instead of a 10 and 15. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

05-15-2016, 04:44 PM	#12
Rdunn Really, Really Fast Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: St.Louis,Mo Posts: 686	im still running a single nozzle at 1100rwhp __________________ Procharger F1X, TH400, E85, CBI Street Cars, DSX Tuning, 1300whp

05-13-2016, 04:33 PM	#1
scv_guy Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Valencia Posts: 1,305	How METH is too much??? OK so I have a single turbo setup (details in my sig) and currently running a single nozzle meth system. car runs great, but I was thinking about upgrading to a dual nozzle meth setup. I know I will have to retune WOT, but is there a point when your spraying to much meth? My thoughts are more octane the better I'm running 100% meth, any input would be great.

05-15-2016, 03:59 PM	#11
GetYouOne Drives: 2012 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,596	Just went with the alky control with AIS trunk tank. Single nozzle setup.