FDA Approved Pfizer for 16+ [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[FarmerFran]

FDA just approved the Pfizer COVID vaccine for everyone 16+

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-...?ocid=msedgntp

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

FDA just approved the Pfizer COVID vaccine for everyone 16+

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-...?ocid=msedgntp

FDA approval is absolutely useless. Drugs they approve later get yanked for all kinds of scary reasons, including kidney failure, cancer, fatalities, heart failure, etc. Here is a list of 35 drugs they had to tuck their tail between their legs and recall, right off the bat in my first search:
https://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org...om-the-market/

The all time list is longer, but that hopefully gets my point across. Given that this “vaccine” is not actually a vaccine (since you can still get and spread COVID with the “vaccine”) and was supremely rushed (nearly 80% of the development time was skipped), I will be waiting for quite a while before even considering it. I’m not anti-vaxx at all, but this one has so many side effects that it scares the heck out of me. Just my humble 2 cents, of course.

[95 imp]

Even though, you can still get Covid after taking the vaccine, AND it *could* have serious side effects, you have no legal recourse under US law for anything if the vaccine jacks you up....

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covi...n-lawsuit.html

Why in the world would a sane, normally healthy person roll the dice on this when there an 80%+ chance of mild to no symptoms and a mere 2% (+/-) chance of actually dying from the disease want to introduce something into their body that is unproven and isn't 100% effective?

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Why in the world would a sane, normally healthy person roll the dice on this when there an 80%+ chance of mild to no symptoms and a mere 2% (+/-) chance of actually dying from the disease want to introduce something into their body that is unproven and isn't 100% effective?

The current stats on hospitalization might be a good enough reason for some. Will you please share links to your stats?

Do you think it’s possible one could get COVID now, be asymptomatic, then later develop complications? Seems like there’s a risk of the unproven either way, I just hope people review medical sources, talk to their doctor, whatever they have to do to make an informed medical decision.

[xstuntman]

Meanwhile the Israeli's published a report that natural immunity is thirteen times stronger than any shot and protects against the china virus mutations also.

The rest of the world is discussing natural immunity and here we are discussing a third worthless shot and if your employer can make you or fire you. Pfizer's sure making a lot of money tho.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by xstuntman

Meanwhile the Israeli's published a report that natural immunity is thirteen times stronger than any shot and protects against the china virus mutations also.

The rest of the world is discussing natural immunity and here we are discussing a third worthless shot and if your employer can make you or fire you. Pfizer's sure making a lot of money tho.

Well said. Always follow the money....

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Silver14

Will you please share links to your stats?

Gladly!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

"Worldometer is a provider of global COVID-19 statistics for many caring people around the world. Our data is also trusted and used by the UK Government, Johns Hopkins CSSE*, the Government of Thailand, the Government of Pakistan, the Government of Sri Lanka, Government of Vietnam, Financial Times, The New York Times, Business Insider, BBC, and many others."

*bold added: The US always quotes stats from JHU.

Originally Posted by Silver14

Do you think it’s possible one could get COVID now, be asymptomatic, then later develop complications?

I'm not an expert, but common sense says no. It's a virus, so think flu. Once you kick it, you should be done with that strain.

The "flu shot" is reformulated every year based on mutations as well. This will be the same type of deal. Also, you can't hide behind a mask forever. Everyone WILL eventually be exposed.

Originally Posted by Silver14

Seems like there’s a risk of the unproven either way, I just hope people review medical sources, talk to their doctor, whatever they have to do to make an informed medical decision.

FWIW, I have heard of doctors recommending to take it as well as advising to NOT take it.

[Dave-G]

I support the choice to have it or not, but there's no way in hell I'm taking it.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Gladly!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

"Worldometer is a provider of global COVID-19 statistics for many caring people around the world. Our data is also trusted and used by the UK Government, Johns Hopkins CSSE*, the Government of Thailand, the Government of Pakistan, the Government of Sri Lanka, Government of Vietnam, Financial Times, The New York Times, Business Insider, BBC, and many others."

*bold added: The US always quotes stats from JHU.

I'm not an expert, but common sense says no. It's a virus, so think flu. Once you kick it, you should be done with that strain.

The "flu shot" is reformulated every year based on mutations as well. This will be the same type of deal. Also, you can't hide behind a mask forever. Everyone WILL eventually be exposed.

FWIW, I have heard of doctors recommending to take it as well as advising to NOT take it.

Does worldometers have any stats on vaccination status of those currently hospitalized with COVID? Or vaccination status of those that are being counted as COVID deaths? I think data like that could be informative for those weighing whether to get vaccinated or not. Interesting that the worldometer data isn't an exact match for https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data



Here's another perspective from John Hopkins that getting infected it may cause longer lasting issues than the flu. Googling "COVID long term effect" or "COVID long haul" presents lots of interesting reading material.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19

[hotlap]

isn't it nice to be allowed to openly share different data sources and debate whether or not to get vaccinated?

Its infuriating to see one side of the discussion silence and censor other in the name of "science". The Scientific Method thought in actual Degrees involving the sciences requires "applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed".

I have been vaccinated but support the decision of those that choose not to.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by hotlap

isn't it nice to be allowed to openly share different data sources and debate whether or not to get vaccinated?

Its infuriating to see one side of the discussion silence and censor other in the name of "science". The Scientific Method thought in actual Degrees involving the sciences requires "applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed".

I have been vaccinated but support the decision of those that choose not to.

It is equally infuriating to see a side of the discussion reject “science” without applying any of the scientific method, or even invent their own “science” that convinces them to self medicate.

There’s tons of medical research available on the topic if one wishes to read it, seems like the popular approach though is to follow a talking head that tells them how to feel.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Silver14

Does worldometers have any stats on vaccination status of those currently hospitalized with COVID? Or vaccination status of those that are being counted as COVID deaths? I think data like that could be informative for those weighing whether to get vaccinated or not. Interesting that the worldometer data isn't an exact match for https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data

I can't give a reason for the discrepancy. Political? Misprint? Who knows...
I know of no website that tracks vaccine related abnormalities. It is mostly antidotal from news reports. (For what that's worth).

Originally Posted by Silver14

Here's another perspective from John Hopkins that getting infected it may cause longer lasting issues than the flu. Googling "COVID long term effect" or "COVID long haul" presents lots of interesting reading material.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19

Sure, there can be long lasting issues from every disease, including the flu.
There can be long lasting effects from the vaccine too.

That being said, this vaccine was a rush job, is clearly isn't 100% effective, and we don't know of any side effects. There hasn't been enough time to evaluate the percentage of complications, or the percentage of catching it in spite of vaccination.

I do know that if I do have complications, I have no recourse legally.

I also do not trust the one sided media who pushes what they want everyone to believe through their "fear mongering" style of reporting.
(which the intensity and coverage has suspiciously dropped since the election)

I do know that if I get Covid, I have a 80% chance of mild to no symptoms, a less than 20% chance of actually being hospitalized, and about a 2% chance of dying. (The 2 websites presented do not have the exact same totals, but are close.)

Those percentages are pretty good odds in my book. And if we could get those types of odds at a casino, we'd all be down there getting rich.

So, stripping the hype, fear, and pressure and looking at the actual science, legal, and other issues, the vaccine just doesn't make sense for me

That being said, if you feel it's right for you, go for it! I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with everyone forcing people to do (or not do) it.

[G8One2]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I can't give a reason for the discrepancy. Political? Misprint? Who knows...
I know of no website that tracks vaccine related abnormalities. It is mostly antidotal from news reports. (For what that's worth).




Sure, there can be long lasting issues from every disease, including the flu.
There can be long lasting effects from the vaccine too.

That being said, this vaccine was a rush job, is clearly isn't 100% effective, and we don't know of any side effects. There hasn't been enough time to evaluate the percentage of complications, or the percentage of catching it in spite of vaccination.

I do know that if I do have complications, I have no recourse legally.

I also do not trust the one sided media who pushes what they want everyone to believe through their "fear mongering" style of reporting.
(which the intensity and coverage has suspiciously dropped since the election)

I do know that if I get Covid, I have a 80% chance of mild to no symptoms, a less than 20% chance of actually being hospitalized, and about a 2% chance of dying. (The 2 websites presented do not have the exact same totals, but are close.)

Those percentages are pretty good odds in my book. And if we could get those types of odds at a casino, we'd all be down there getting rich.

So, stripping the hype, fear, and pressure and looking at the actual science, legal, and other issues, the vaccine just doesn't make sense for me

That being said, if you feel it's right for you, go for it! I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with everyone forcing people to do (or not do) it.

Well said

[pyroguy]