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Avenging Orange · 04-19-2021, 09:42 PM

But, I'm trying something different and I'd like some simple opinions. I want a smallish cam with good torque and good driving manners and not having to go dual valve springs and have to replace in 20k. So I went a different direction that appeals to me. No need to get technical, just what do you think.
CAM Motion 220/226 .558/.536 +3 115 LSA.. should be stout just not overly. I'll be burying this over time as I'm in no hurry because the 3.91's really woke it up. With only 36k on the clock I see no need for lifters or oil pump. 5/16 ,080 hardened pushrods and timing cover gasket. Probably Joe Gibbs for break in oil. Only thing I'm on the fence about is an oil pump. Always used conventional motor oil an had no issues. If I do replace would it be correct to use the melling high volume pump?
Thank you for your input.

Bill

CamaroCracka · 04-20-2021, 05:55 AM

I would put the Melling pump in regardless. I had an LS3 fail at 70k because the stock oil pump relief stuck open.

larry_g · 04-20-2021, 06:09 AM

Melling is relatively cheap insurance while you are that far in.

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xc_SS/RS · 04-20-2021, 06:18 AM

Check out the Summit Ghost cam. 222/233 115+3, .600/.575 and you can pick up a package with beehive springs and seals for $500

Bigdumogre · 04-20-2021, 06:26 AM

Since the car only has 36k miles on it , it will take you over 5 years before you put another 20k on. Why not go dual for safety reasons? And plenty of people don’t change them out every 20k. Just my opinion.

Avenging Orange · 04-20-2021, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdumogre

Since the car only has 36k miles on it , it will take you over 5 years before you put another 20k on. Why not go dual for safety reasons? And plenty of people don’t change them out every 20k. Just my opinion.

I'm not against duals. I just think it overkill for my cam. And I do plan an many road trips now that im retired...so miles will go on quicker. But i will think about it an ask my builder.

Avenging Orange · 04-20-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

I would put the Melling pump in regardless. I had an LS3 fail at 70k because the stock oil pump relief stuck open.

Is it the melling high volume or high pressure pump?

Avenging Orange · 04-20-2021, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

Check out the Summit Ghost cam. 222/233 115+3, .600/.575 and you can pick up a package with beehive springs and seals for $500

Thought about this one in the past. But this time i want to try my hand at a custom cam.

1JEWLDSSRS · 04-20-2021, 03:54 PM

Melling 10295 is the pump I have in my L99, and it is the one my shop uses to replace the "failing" LS3 pumps. Also if you do decide to go with the dual springs, you will have more "seat" pressure on the valves which in turn will make sure they always close and seal properly, the singles will do it, but the duals will do it better I would think, and they would last longer too because they wouldn't have to work as hard. Just my thoughts.

Avenging Orange · 04-20-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1JEWLDSSRS

Melling 10295 is the pump I have in my L99, and it is the one my shop uses to replace the "failing" LS3 pumps. Also if you do decide to go with the dual springs, you will have more "seat" pressure on the valves which in turn will make sure they always close and seal properly, the singles will do it, but the duals will do it better I would think, and they would last longer too because they wouldn't have to work as hard. Just my thoughts.

What spring was used with your pump?
melling is kinda confusing on what application is best used.

WHAMMO · 04-20-2021, 04:49 PM

If you wanna stay reliable and not swap out springs too often, good idea. Still , I would invest in a high quality springs/retainers $$$

You CANT cheap out on the Melling. Get the high pressure. Thats what have, its been great for 25k miles+ with 7100-7900 rpm for 3 years. My stock tensioner was broken at 25k miles ish on the car, pieces floating around waiting to cause a disaster.

Just a little information for ya; I had 'regular' doubles springs with quality retainers and after one summer on a solid roller/.720 lift, the locks dug a little into the retainers and they were stuck so hard i had to cut some part of it to remove springs (heads on car, cyl 8). Yeah the parts were not up to the task, but all parts fail someday, keep that in mind. I would change the springs on your setup no later than 25k max.

1JEWLDSSRS · 04-20-2021, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Avenging Orange

What spring was used with your pump?
melling is kinda confusing on what application is best used.

They put the high pressure spring in it, not sure what color it is, but the instructions should tell you. At idle I'm sitting at 35psi, and cruising at around 1800-2000 I'm sitting at 55psi, cold startups it sits at 68psi and as it warms up to temp it will drop down to around 55-60ish..

Ashen L99 · 04-21-2021, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdumogre

Since the car only has 36k miles on it , it will take you over 5 years before you put another 20k on. Why not go dual for safety reasons? And plenty of people don’t change them out every 20k. Just my opinion.

Agreed, and do the oil pump. I remember a member that had Superman or something in his username and he had no miles on his LS3 and boom! Oil pump failure. His freaking catch can voided the warranty. Stupid GM smh. Do the oil pump!

1JEWLDSSRS · 04-21-2021, 08:31 AM

Yes, do the pump! Good insurance for sure. And that was "IKILLEDSUPERMAN"...

04-19-2021, 09:42 PM	#1
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	I promised I wouldn't ask the question... But, I'm trying something different and I'd like some simple opinions. I want a smallish cam with good torque and good driving manners and not having to go dual valve springs and have to replace in 20k. So I went a different direction that appeals to me. No need to get technical, just what do you think. CAM Motion 220/226 .558/.536 +3 115 LSA.. should be stout just not overly. I'll be burying this over time as I'm in no hurry because the 3.91's really woke it up. With only 36k on the clock I see no need for lifters or oil pump. 5/16 ,080 hardened pushrods and timing cover gasket. Probably Joe Gibbs for break in oil. Only thing I'm on the fence about is an oil pump. Always used conventional motor oil an had no issues. If I do replace would it be correct to use the melling high volume pump? Thank you for your input. Bill __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

04-20-2021, 05:55 AM	#2
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,729	I would put the Melling pump in regardless. I had an LS3 fail at 70k because the stock oil pump relief stuck open. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

04-20-2021, 06:09 AM	#3
larry_g Drives: 2014 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 826	Melling is relatively cheap insurance while you are that far in. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 830 WHP 700 WTQ, Whipple 2.9 @ 13lbs Boost, Flex Fuel Tune by Blevins Tuning, LSA SBE, 3.5 GripTec, ATI LS3 Damper, AFR 260cc Mongoose, ARP Studs, Yella Terra Ultralites, Johnson 2110R, BTR PDS Stage 3, Melling 10355, Improved Racing Baffle, ID1050X, DSX Triple Fuel Pump, RotoFab CAI, NW 103mm TB, Stainless Works 1-7/8" LTH to 3" Speed Eng w/ X-pipe to NPP, Powermaster 9509 XS, Detroit Speed Motor Mounts, MGW, Monster LT1-S, ZL1 Calipers, DBA Rotors & Pads, Bilstein B6 Struts & Shocks, BMR 1.25" Drop Springs & Adj Rear Bar, Pegasus Solid Bushings, Z/28 Wheels, other misc parts.

04-20-2021, 06:18 AM	#4
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,884	Check out the Summit Ghost cam. 222/233 115+3, .600/.575 and you can pick up a package with beehive springs and seals for $500 __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

04-20-2021, 06:26 AM	#5
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	Since the car only has 36k miles on it , it will take you over 5 years before you put another 20k on. Why not go dual for safety reasons? And plenty of people don’t change them out every 20k. Just my opinion. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

04-20-2021, 03:54 PM	#9
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,402	Melling 10295 is the pump I have in my L99, and it is the one my shop uses to replace the "failing" LS3 pumps. Also if you do decide to go with the dual springs, you will have more "seat" pressure on the valves which in turn will make sure they always close and seal properly, the singles will do it, but the duals will do it better I would think, and they would last longer too because they wouldn't have to work as hard. Just my thoughts. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

04-20-2021, 04:49 PM	#11
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,641	If you wanna stay reliable and not swap out springs too often, good idea. Still , I would invest in a high quality springs/retainers $$$ You CANT cheap out on the Melling. Get the high pressure. Thats what have, its been great for 25k miles+ with 7100-7900 rpm for 3 years. My stock tensioner was broken at 25k miles ish on the car, pieces floating around waiting to cause a disaster. Just a little information for ya; I had 'regular' doubles springs with quality retainers and after one summer on a solid roller/.720 lift, the locks dug a little into the retainers and they were stuck so hard i had to cut some part of it to remove springs (heads on car, cyl 8). Yeah the parts were not up to the task, but all parts fail someday, keep that in mind. I would change the springs on your setup no later than 25k max. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

04-21-2021, 08:31 AM	#14
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,402	Yes, do the pump! Good insurance for sure. And that was "IKILLEDSUPERMAN"... __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.