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bballr4567 · 05-09-2009, 12:00 PM

Well as some of you know GM isnt the best at recording how much they build of something. Just look at the Pontiac Firebird numbers. For example I know my car is one of 1302 Formulas for 2000. That is it. Cant break it down by color, transmission or any options. Only ONE year of the last gen is available to be broke down and they didnt even do it by colors for the most part.

A lot of other cars are the same way.

So, is GM going to keep better records so you can actually tell how many cars of your EXACT build were built?

tones2SS · 05-09-2009, 01:57 PM

bballr4567; you have pm regarding your question about build numbers.

bballr4567 · 05-09-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tones2SS

bballr4567; you have pm regarding your question about build numbers.

PM sent back.

I just want to know if GM is doing better this time around!!!!

kylepo · 05-09-2009, 05:38 PM

Just to let you know, all the info you speak of is out there you just gotta find it.

GM just needs to keep doing what its doing.

bballr4567 · 05-09-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kylepo

Just to let you know, all the info you speak of is out there you just gotta find it.

What info? Production numbers for 99-01 Pontiac Firebirds? Yea, just the number of models were made. That is it. If you have more info, share it.

All I asked was if anybody knows if GM is keeping better records this time around. Im not asking for build numbers for my 4th gen. Never did.

kylepo · 05-09-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bballr4567

What info? Production numbers for 99-01 Pontiac Firebirds? Yea, just the number of models were made. That is it. If you have more info, share it.

All I asked was if anybody knows if GM is keeping better records this time around. Im not asking for build numbers for my 4th gen. Never did.

I come across them everyonce in a while. Like I know our 2002 hawk is like one of ten if even that with NBM an auto and a tan top and tan interior. GM keeps great records just ask scott he has access to all of them. Like I said you just have to find them.

bballr4567 · 05-09-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kylepo

I come across them everyonce in a while. Like I know our 2002 hawk is like one of ten if even that with NBM an auto and a tan top and tan interior. GM keeps great records just ask scott he has access to all of them. Like I said you just have to find them.

Like I said, try finding 99-01 Firebird numbers like that. You cant. 02 is the ONLY year where a full break down is available like that. Plus, you have a "special" car as well. SLP kept far better records than GM and that is how you know your breakdown as well.

Example of the 2000 breakdown:

Quote:

2000 total: 31826
Firebird 13529 coupe; 1149 vert; 14678 total
Formula 1302 coupe; 233 WS6 coupe; 1535 total
Trans Am 6639 coupe; 783 vert; 7166 WS6 coupe; 1025 WS6 vert; 15613 total

Example of the 2002 breakdown.

Quote:

A total of 30,690 Firebirds were built for worldwide distribution..
Sold orders (ordered by customer specifically) 4,454
Fleet orders 721

5,192 were Convertible models

23,648 had CC1 Removable Roof Panels

26,391 had FE9 Federal Emissions System
2,018 had NG1 Northeast Emissions System
2,269 had YF5 California Emissions System

20,769 had the LS1 Gen III V8 Engine (67.7%)
9,921 had the L36 3800 Series V6 (32.3%)

16,837 had NW9 Traction Control (54.9%)
5,934 had U1S 12 Disc CD changer (19.3%)

14,908 had the WS6 Ram Air Package (48.6%)

1,500 had the WU6 Firehawk Package (4.9%)

2,391 had the Z15 Collector Package (7.8%)

Convertible Top Colors:

10T White 137 units
41T Black 4,455 units
56T Taupe 600 units

Total Firebird Color Breakdown:

10U White 2,918 9.5%
11U Pewter 4,302 14.0%
13U Silver 3,089 10.1%
28U Dk Blue 3,290 10.7%
41U Black 7,572 24.7%
44U Maple 867 2.8%
54U C/E Yellow 2,391 7.8%
71U S.O.M. 1,208 3.9%
81U Red 5,053 16.5%

Interior Breakdown:

19B Ebony Cloth 7,378 24.0%
192 Ebony Leath 14,832 48.3%
194 C/E Leather 2,391 7.8%
52B Taupe Cloth 1,078 3.5%
522 Taupe Leather 2,230 7.3%

FIREBIRD V6 COUPE 8,423 units (11.6% of production)

1,000 units had MM5 Manual transmission (11.9%)
7,423 units had MX0 Automatic Transmission (88.1%)

2,567 units had NW9 Traction control (30.5%)
7,375 had FE9 Emissions (87.6%)
425 had NG1 Emissions (5.0%)
619 had YF5 Emissions (7.3%)

6,573 had CC1 Removable Roof Panels (78%)

2,056 had Y87 Performance package (24.4%)

10U 982 units
11U 1,470 units
13U 1,188 units
28U 946 units
44U 415 units
41U 1,545 units
71U 372 units
81U 1,505 units

V6 Convertible 1,498 units (2.1% of production)

All had MX0 Automatic Transmission
401 had NW9 Traction Control
1,233 had FE9 Emissions
66 had NG1 Emissions
199 had YF5 Emissions

34 had 10T white conv. top
1,268 had 41T black conv. top
196 had 56T Taupe conv. top

10U 289 units
11U 294 units
13U 102 units
28U 88 units
41U 114 units
44U 213 units
71U 28 units
81U 370 units

FORMULA COUPE 901 UNITS 1.2% OF PRODUCTION

409 units had MN6 6-speed transmission
492 units had MX0 Automatic transmission
473 units had NW9 Traction Control

729 had FE9 Emissions
95 had NG1 Emissions
76 had YF5 Emissions

167 had WU6 Firehawk Package

10U 70 Units
11U 124 units
13U 90 units
28U 142 units
41U 244 units
44U 42 units
71U 51 units
81U 138 units

TRANS AM COUPE 3,962 5.5% OF PRODUCTION

1,591 units had MN6 6-speed manual transmission
2,371 units had MX0 Automatic transmission
2,732 units had NW9 Traction Control

3,345 units had FE9 Emissions
273 units had NG1 Emissions
344 units had YF5 Emissions

1,131 units had WU6 Firehawk Package

10U 343 units
11U 408 units
13U 408 units
28U 474 units
41U 1,215 units
44U 145 units
71U 135 units
81U 834 units

TRANS AM CONVERTIBLE 998 UNITS (1.4% OF PRODUCTION)

235 units had MN6 6-speed manual transmission
763 units had MX0 Automatic transmission
578 units had NW9 Traction control

858 units had FE9 Emissions
71 units had NG1 Emissions
67 units had YF5 Emissions

202 units had WU6 Firehawk Package

36 units had 10T white convert. Top
777 units had 41T black convert. Top
185 units had 56T Taupe convert. Top

10U 84 units
11U 246 units
13U 58 units
28U 109 units
41U 261 units
44U 52 units
71U 26 units
81U 162 units

WS6 RAM AIR COUPES 12,212 UNITS (16.9% OF PRODUCTION)

6,828 units had MN6 6-speed manual transmission
5,384 units had MX0 Automatic transmission
8,115 units had NW9 Traction Control

10,601 had FE9 Emissions
833 had NG1 Emissions
775 had YF5 Emissions

1,349 units were Z15 Collector Editions

10U 986 units
11U 1,585 units
13U 1,112 units
28U 1,327 units
41U 3,630 units
54U (C/E) 1,349 units
71U 525 units
81U 1,698 units

WS6 RAM AIR CONVERTIBLES 2,696 UNITS (3.7% OF PRODUCTION)

1,176 units had MN6 6-speed manual transmission
1,520 units had MX0 Automatic transmission
1,971 units had NW9 Traction Control

2,250 had FE9 Emissions
255 had NG1 Emissions
189 had YF5 Emissions

1,042 were Z15 Collector Editions

67 units had 10T white conv. top
2,410 units had 41T Black conv. top
219 units had 56T Taupe conv. top

10U 164 units
11U 175 units
13U 131 units
28U 204 units
41U 563 units
54U (C/E) 1,042 units
71U 71 units
81U 346 units

WS6 RAM AIR COUPE WITH 6-SPEED MANUAL

10U 454 units
11U 963 units
13U 613 units
28U 738 units
41U 2,066 units
54U 842 units
71U 304 units
81U 848 units

WS6 RAM AIR COUPE WITH AUTOMATIC

10U 532 units
11U 622 units
13U 499 units
28U 589 units
41U 1,564 units
54U 507 units
71U 221 units
81U 850 units

WS6 RAM AIR CONVERTIBLE WITH 6-SPEED

10U 56 units
11U 71 units
13U 51 units
28U 74 units
41U 221 units
54U 554 units
71U 30 units
81U 119 units

WS6 RAM AIR CONVERTIBLE WITH AUTOMATIC

10U 108 units
11U 104 units
13U 80 units
28U 130 units
41U 342 units
54U 488 units
71U 41 units
81U 227 units

FIREHAWK COUPE WITH 6-SPEED MANUAL TRANS

10U 60 units
11U 54 units
13U 84 units
28U 127 units
41U 348 units
71U 60 units
81U 150 units

FIREHAWK COUPE WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

10U 28 units
11U 49 units
13U 40 units
28U 76 units
41U 121 units
71U 25 units
81U 76 units

FIREHAWK CONVERTIBLE WITH 6-SPEED MANUAL

10U 8 units
11U 9 units
13U 6 units
28U 23 units
41U 45 units
71U 11 units
81U 26 units

FIREHAWK CONVERTIBLE WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

10U 8 units
11U 5 units
13U 1 unit
28U 17 units
41U 26 units
71U 4 units
81U 13 units

Notice a difference? Even the 02 isnt the best break down for the Trans Am and Formula models.

levi1922 · 05-09-2009, 09:54 PM

where did you get the information for the break downs you quoted?

bballr4567 · 05-10-2009, 01:18 AM

The 00 numbers are from my digging through about 40 pages of info on the internet.

The 02 breakdowns are from http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/

SScattergunSS · 05-10-2009, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bballr4567

So, is GM going to keep better records so you can actually tell how many cars of your EXACT build were built?

I'm with you on this...I sure hope they do!

HuJass · 05-10-2009, 10:38 AM

They did pretty good for '02.
I wish they had gone a bit further.
Like I know my C/E is one of 839 T-top cars with the M6.
I wanted it broken out further. I want to know how many C/Es with T-Tops, manual trans, Hurst shifter, and WITHOUT traction control or 6-disc changers were built.

Thanks to ASC (who did the WS6 upfit) I learned that my car is the 41st C/E of the whole run and it's the 15th of the T-Top/M6 combos.

05-09-2009, 12:00 PM	#1
bballr4567 Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT M6 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 1,256	GM keeping good numbers? Well as some of you know GM isnt the best at recording how much they build of something. Just look at the Pontiac Firebird numbers. For example I know my car is one of 1302 Formulas for 2000. That is it. Cant break it down by color, transmission or any options. Only ONE year of the last gen is available to be broke down and they didnt even do it by colors for the most part. A lot of other cars are the same way. So, is GM going to keep better records so you can actually tell how many cars of your EXACT build were built?

05-09-2009, 09:54 PM	#8
levi1922 Drives: 2LT RS CGM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,378	where did you get the information for the break downs you quoted? __________________

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05-09-2009, 05:38 PM	#4
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 360	Just to let you know, all the info you speak of is out there you just gotta find it. GM just needs to keep doing what its doing.

05-10-2009, 01:18 AM	#9
bballr4567 Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT M6 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 1,256	The 00 numbers are from my digging through about 40 pages of info on the internet. The 02 breakdowns are from http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/

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HuJass Drives: GM Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CNY Posts: 1,599 View My Garage	They did pretty good for '02. I wish they had gone a bit further. Like I know my C/E is one of 839 T-top cars with the M6. I wanted it broken out further. I want to know how many C/Es with T-Tops, manual trans, Hurst shifter, and WITHOUT traction control or 6-disc changers were built. Thanks to ASC (who did the WS6 upfit) I learned that my car is the 41st C/E of the whole run and it's the 15th of the T-Top/M6 combos.