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LSA_ZL1 · 06-26-2020, 06:43 PM

I need some help with a good parts list for making 1000whp+ on my 2012 camaro ZL1 6-speed, but keeping the stock supercharger. i know i want to run e85. i am looking for a dependable setup. the car is not my daily. ported snout/supercharger? ported heads? what pulley size? injectors?

Vegas Bound · 06-26-2020, 07:16 PM

Truth be told, it would be a struggle. I'm maxed out at 750 whp with LSA, no porting, stock LS3 heads, GT9 cam, FIC1300 injectors, e85, 2.5/9.5 pulleys, meth injection, headers, CAI, Aux pump.
Adding a bottle could get me there but no thanks.

pyroguy · 06-26-2020, 07:57 PM

Yes, but it'll need a little extra help. Check out GuitarmageddonZL1 on YouTube. He made 1,100rwhp with his LSA, cam, and a BIG shot of nitrous.

Valkyrie14 · 06-26-2020, 10:11 PM

Kong porting makes a difference. Probably not enough without NOS boost to get over 1000. King is what I’m doing once I complete my other mods.

sinisterlsx510 · 06-26-2020, 11:36 PM

I just did a port job on on my newly aquired lsa blower from synergy motorsports but wont have time to test it until i finish gathering the parts for a lsa conversion...but he said best bet id probably get around 700ish and give or take 730ish with e85 and meth...

RobZL1 · 06-27-2020, 12:23 AM

For a 6spd car, I think the best you can do is about 820-850 with a ported 1900, 5", 103, aftermarket heads, big cam, e85 (assuming stock displacement). Need NOS or a 2650 to get there in my opinion. But once you are at 1k, you really need more reinforcement in the block and rods/pistons. So you might as well bump the displacement and also buy a 2650.

Russell James · 06-27-2020, 02:09 PM

Don't know why you would want that much with a manual trans. It's just going to blow the tires away, and if it ever did hook - goodbye clutch or trans.

I think a manual ZL1 is incredibly fun with 1 to 2 hundred more horsepower, not more than doubling it. And even then you need to up the cooling, up the intake cooling, ditch the cats. HP = heat. For bumps in hp, need bumps in cooling.

For a "dependable set up" lower hp expectations way down. If truly looking for dependable s/c LS power at 4 digits, just look at some of Bororski's 2650 builds. Dart block, 6 bolt All Pro heads, best rotating assembly and valve train money can buy and a 2650 S/C.

A small supercharger trying to make big power on a relatively large engine starts to kill it's efficiency. It's building way too much intake heat. It's a volumetric efficiency thing. Gale Banks is really one who studies and is the the master of efficient boost. It's not about the boost pressure number - it's about the air fuel charge density and temperature. If you are making big power with a small S/C... on Gale's dyno instruments he would say - that blower is out to lunch.

A small s/c spun fast is more intended for throttle response and mid range. It'll make big boost if forced to, but IATs and charge density will be out to lunch very quick. That first cool dyno pull will be amazing, after that - downhill fast.

Greenhornet2 · 06-29-2020, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LSA_ZL1

I need some help with a good parts list for making 1000whp+ on my 2012 camaro ZL1 6-speed, but keeping the stock supercharger. i know i want to run e85. i am looking for a dependable setup. the car is not my daily. ported snout/supercharger? ported heads? what pulley size? injectors?

Kong upgrade. ID1700 injectors, triple pump return fuel system. Forged rotating assembly at least, ARP head stud kit, triple disc clutch just the basics that come to mind. I'd call Ted a Jannetty racing

Bo White · 06-29-2020, 11:11 AM

Will need max effort with some spray

hammdo · 06-29-2020, 11:40 AM

I’m in the same boat as Vega Bound. After my latest mods, ~800 to the wheels now (added meth, CAI plus a few extras). NOS or some additional upgrades would be necessary. My cam is setup more for road racing and not a max effort.

-Don

gunchamp · 06-29-2020, 12:31 PM

Gentleman who works with me has a 14 ZL1 and he has the blower ported, heads, cam ect and put down 830 at the wheel at RPM last year on E85. Seems he was about maxed with it

Vegas Bound · 06-29-2020, 04:30 PM

Funny, LSA_ZL1 asked the question on Friday and hasn't been back to comment since.

06-26-2020, 06:43 PM	#1
LSA_ZL1 Drives: 2012 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2 View My Garage	is the lsa supercharger capable of making 1000whp+ I need some help with a good parts list for making 1000whp+ on my 2012 camaro ZL1 6-speed, but keeping the stock supercharger. i know i want to run e85. i am looking for a dependable setup. the car is not my daily. ported snout/supercharger? ported heads? what pulley size? injectors?

06-26-2020, 07:57 PM	#3
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,919 View My Garage	Yes, but it'll need a little extra help. Check out GuitarmageddonZL1 on YouTube. He made 1,100rwhp with his LSA, cam, and a BIG shot of nitrous. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

06-26-2020, 10:11 PM	#4
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	Kong porting makes a difference. Probably not enough without NOS boost to get over 1000. King is what I’m doing once I complete my other mods. __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

06-26-2020, 11:36 PM	#5
sinisterlsx510 Drives: 14 ss camaro summit white Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: bay area Posts: 463	I just did a port job on on my newly aquired lsa blower from synergy motorsports but wont have time to test it until i finish gathering the parts for a lsa conversion...but he said best bet id probably get around 700ish and give or take 730ish with e85 and meth... __________________ 2014 ss camaro Stainless works long tubes , rotofab cai , vararam wedge , muffler delete,cat delete ,resonator delete , x pipe 2019 sierra duramax 2500 all terrain x 2001 trans am Lsx 408 ci rebuild in progress(dead project) 1967 camaro Sbc 327.

06-27-2020, 12:23 AM	#6
RobZL1 fo'shizZL1 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: ATL Posts: 1,281	For a 6spd car, I think the best you can do is about 820-850 with a ported 1900, 5", 103, aftermarket heads, big cam, e85 (assuming stock displacement). Need NOS or a 2650 to get there in my opinion. But once you are at 1k, you really need more reinforcement in the block and rods/pistons. So you might as well bump the displacement and also buy a 2650. __________________ 2017 ZL1 M6 Black \| Maggie 2650 // 103TB // Big Gulp Past Rides- 2014 ZL1 M6 Red Hot \| Tons of mods 2004 CTS-V M6 Silver \| Many mods 1995 Corvette M6 Torch Red \| A few more mods 1992 Camaro M5 White \| A few mods

06-26-2020, 07:16 PM	#2
Vegas Bound Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Sparkly Red One Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Hospitality State Posts: 2,558	Truth be told, it would be a struggle. I'm maxed out at 750 whp with LSA, no porting, stock LS3 heads, GT9 cam, FIC1300 injectors, e85, 2.5/9.5 pulleys, meth injection, headers, CAI, Aux pump. Adding a bottle could get me there but no thanks.

06-27-2020, 02:09 PM	#7
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	Don't know why you would want that much with a manual trans. It's just going to blow the tires away, and if it ever did hook - goodbye clutch or trans. I think a manual ZL1 is incredibly fun with 1 to 2 hundred more horsepower, not more than doubling it. And even then you need to up the cooling, up the intake cooling, ditch the cats. HP = heat. For bumps in hp, need bumps in cooling. For a "dependable set up" lower hp expectations way down. If truly looking for dependable s/c LS power at 4 digits, just look at some of Bororski's 2650 builds. Dart block, 6 bolt All Pro heads, best rotating assembly and valve train money can buy and a 2650 S/C. A small supercharger trying to make big power on a relatively large engine starts to kill it's efficiency. It's building way too much intake heat. It's a volumetric efficiency thing. Gale Banks is really one who studies and is the the master of efficient boost. It's not about the boost pressure number - it's about the air fuel charge density and temperature. If you are making big power with a small S/C... on Gale's dyno instruments he would say - that blower is out to lunch. A small s/c spun fast is more intended for throttle response and mid range. It'll make big boost if forced to, but IATs and charge density will be out to lunch very quick. That first cool dyno pull will be amazing, after that - downhill fast.

06-29-2020, 11:11 AM	#9
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Will need max effort with some spray

06-29-2020, 11:40 AM	#10
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	I’m in the same boat as Vega Bound. After my latest mods, ~800 to the wheels now (added meth, CAI plus a few extras). NOS or some additional upgrades would be necessary. My cam is setup more for road racing and not a max effort. -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

06-29-2020, 12:31 PM	#11
gunchamp Drives: 15 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Mountains of central PA Posts: 1,442	Gentleman who works with me has a 14 ZL1 and he has the blower ported, heads, cam ect and put down 830 at the wheel at RPM last year on E85. Seems he was about maxed with it __________________ 15 Camaro SS- GPI max top end, ESS Vortech V3 9psi, ID 1050s, ZL1 pump, JMS bap, Long tubes, Corsa extreme, Circle D pro 5C, 391 rear, DSS carbon drive shaft, poly cradle bushings, tuned by Ted Jannetty and much much more

06-29-2020, 04:30 PM	#12
Vegas Bound Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Sparkly Red One Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Hospitality State Posts: 2,558	Funny, LSA_ZL1 asked the question on Friday and hasn't been back to comment since.