Modded up labors to start

[Thebigantmoe]

What's going on there Wingnuts,

So I bought this semi beastly and modded up 2011 LS3 a few months ago. It had some serious issues hot starting until I ran that 4 Ga. ground from engine block to the frame (which I got from one of you, thanks for that) and the motor has had no problem hot starting since then except that it sounds like it's laboring to turn over a bit. I'm sure most people would let it got but I've got some mental problems with wanting things to be perfect so I also bought a brand new AC Delco starter, wrapped it in double thick titanium turbo wrap and had it installed today because it's like a billion degrees out and I wasn't in the mood.

Long story short, this brand new starter actually sounds shittier than the last one that had possibly 57,000 miles on it. In other words, it sounds like it's laboring even more, like why did i even pu this new one in? Any ideas, suggestions, deal with it pal statements that you guys got would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe remove the ground, wire sand the contact points to get some fresh metal and upgrade it to a 2 Ga? idk..

[Joe.G]

I grounded mine from Bell housing to the frame and noticed a big difference in starting, You could try another ground from battery to body as well. 4GA should be fine. How is your battery? Even if new is it a quality battery with plenty of cranking amps? I run a New Factory Ac Delco battery without issue.

[1JEWLDSSRS]

Originally Posted by Thebigantmoe

What's going on there Wingnuts,

So I bought this semi beastly and modded up 2011 LS3 a few months ago. It had some serious issues hot starting until I ran that 4 Ga. ground from engine block to the frame (which I got from one of you, thanks for that) and the motor has had no problem hot starting since then except that it sounds like it's laboring to turn over a bit. I'm sure most people would let it got but I've got some mental problems with wanting things to be perfect so I also bought a brand new AC Delco starter, wrapped it in double thick titanium turbo wrap and had it installed today because it's like a billion degrees out and I wasn't in the mood.

Long story short, this brand new starter actually sounds shittier than the last one that had possibly 57,000 miles on it. In other words, it sounds like it's laboring even more, like why did i even pu this new one in? Any ideas, suggestions, deal with it pal statements that you guys got would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe remove the ground, wire sand the contact points to get some fresh metal and upgrade it to a 2 Ga? idk..

I installed a secondary 4 ga. ground wire on my battery to the trunk ground last year and it kinda helped the hot start issue, but not really. Made a little difference on the cold starts, a bit quicker, but not like it should be. So I then wrapped my starter which was only 4 years old, original lasted 7 years, with a DEI starter blanket, that didn't help. I always kept the battery topped off with a full charge too. So I got tired of the issue and decided to have my Chevy tech order me a new OEM AC Delco starter, the one I am replacing I got from Summit Racing. I guess when I ordered it I didn't look at whether it was new, or remanufactured. In checking last week in what they had remans and were cheaper, it even said that, I never noticed that when I ordered it. Anyways, we replaced the starter with the new one, wrapped it AND I finally did the bell housing 4ga. ground wire to the frame, along with the trunk cable I already did have, and oh what a difference in the cold starts, AND the hot starts!! The car starts up really quickly now, hot or cold. And the starter spins so much faster now when you start her up, even much better than when the car was brand new without ANY mods!! I'm sold.

[Thebigantmoe]

Thanks so much for the input guys, nothing like spending money on some new parts only to feel like it was completely wasted. It sounds like I need to run that ground from the bell housing to the frame. Any photos/videos of where exactly you did that? I'm sort of an aspiring wrench-head and still a little green.

[Joe.G]

I don't have any pics but if you Google it you may find some, behind the starter on the bell housing to the body next to it, I believe there's an unused bolt there. You can pick up 4 GA premade cable from auto zone, I think it was $6.00.

[Thebigantmoe]

Well today I ran the ground from the bell housing to the frame and I also ran one from the negative battery terminal to the ground in the trunk, still having issues starting. Is it possible that I have put too many grounds on the motor because I also have the ground in the engine bay on the driver's side per the video below:



I'm gonna try to take it to Autozone to have the battery tested because I'm not sure what else could be causing the problem. Maybe I should look for a higher performance starter instead of the stock one as well. What you guys think?

[camguynj]

Originally Posted by Thebigantmoe

Well today I ran the ground from the bell housing to the frame and I also ran one from the negative battery terminal to the ground in the trunk, still having issues starting. Is it possible that I have put too many grounds on the motor because I also have the ground in the engine bay on the driver's side per the video below:



I'm gonna try to take it to Autozone to have the battery tested because I'm not sure what else could be causing the problem. Maybe I should look for a higher performance starter instead of the stock one as well. What you guys think?

No such thing as too many grounds. If your starter checks out ok see post32 in this thread. It addresses starter heat soak caused by LT headers by add a POSITIVE bypass cable to the positive jump post in the engine bay. No one who added the positive bypass cable has ever reported hot starting problems again.
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...=504199&page=3

[1JEWLDSSRS]

Originally Posted by Thebigantmoe

Well today I ran the ground from the bell housing to the frame and I also ran one from the negative battery terminal to the ground in the trunk, still having issues starting. Is it possible that I have put too many grounds on the motor because I also have the ground in the engine bay on the driver's side per the video below:



I'm gonna try to take it to Autozone to have the battery tested because I'm not sure what else could be causing the problem. Maybe I should look for a higher performance starter instead of the stock one as well. What you guys think?

No such think as "too many" grounds as mentioned. Either you have a battery getting ready to take a dump, or like me the starter was going bad from being stressed by not having enough voltage because of the bad, lack of proper grounds. And you do NOT need any of those fancy starters, I replaced mine with a brand new AC Delco unit, not a remanufactured one, NEW and it now starts way better than it ever did! Even when the car was brand new!!

[1JEWLDSSRS]

Bigantmoe,, here is the starter I replaced mine with. Like I said in one of my other postes on this, she starts up really quickly now, hot or cold with BOTH extra ground cables, trunk and bellhousing to frame. The starter even sounds like one of those "expensive" hi-torque ones now! lol.

https://gm.oempartsonline.com/oem-pa...All%20Products