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Old 10-24-2011, 10:24 PM   #155
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^Huh!
I guess you have lots of reading to catch up on in the Z28 section.
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:26 PM   #156
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
Lots of reasons but the main one for me is......... I LOVE THE LOOK OF THE 5TH GEN!
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:27 PM   #157
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
For a 5th gen. Z, and who from GM said it's gonna be lighter?
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:49 PM   #158
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
Because weight doesn't automatically kill performance. And I don't expect any radical improvements in the weight of the 6th gen.

And I like the 5th gen.

Besides, there can still be a Z28 in the next gen too ... but we want one for this generation.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:13 PM   #159
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Good luck with that.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:19 AM   #160
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Good luck with that.
Negative Nancy, ........please take the time and read through the Z/28 threads.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:27 AM   #161
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I was all for the ZL1, but honestly, at this point, I am not feeling it.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:28 AM   #162
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Good luck with that.
Thank you. It is such a welcome change to see encouragement on a forum
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Negative Nancy, please take the time and read through the Z/28 threads.
Now now ... perhaps he was being genuine in his well wishes. Give him the benefit of the doubt (it makes threads more entertaining that way)
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:48 AM   #163
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Am I TOTALLY missing something here or have I just been delusional my whole life. I always thought the Hierarchy was as follows:

Base < Z28 < SS < ZL1

After reading this topic everyone seems to think the Z28 is > SS but when has that ever been the case?
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:13 PM   #164
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I just thought of something, maybe GM is waiting on next generation 5 small block V8 introduction, so they can make a Z28 with a 440 or 450 hp Direct injection engine, just a thought.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:20 PM   #165
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Gen-1:

By '69 (the only year they made the "no one but hard core drag racers want it" ZL1), the SS, Option Code Z27, sold about 34,000 units, with FIVE separate engines available (1-350/4-396s), and as many as SEVEN transmission combos (2-3speeds/2-automatics/3-4speeds, depending on engine chosen). A/C was available on hydraulic-cammed engines (300-325-350hp). ALL things to ALL people...except:

Option Z/28-Special Performance Package was the homologation-for-Trans Am-Series package with ONE engine size backed by one-of-three 4speed transmissions-only, with the best brakes (PFDB required, 4WDB optional), and biggest and only 15 X 7" wheels (non-COPO), and the best suspension ALL as standard or mandatory features. NO slushbox trannies, NO air. NO pretense. NO illusions. NO doubt. Sales, all by its lonesome, equalled roughly 20,000...

THE single most replicated Camaro extant, to this very day...

Gen-2, what SS, after '72? They did away with Z/28 in '75 and 6, but when a performance varient was brought to market in '77, what name was deemed "can't miss"? Uh-huh, Z/28...

Gen-3, what SS? The Z/28 name was so hallowed, the V8 were ALL called Z28, until Chev's relationship with the IROC Series was formalized in a cladding-equipped version...

Gen-4, after SLP's modest sales success with the Firehawk (91-95), and AFTER John Middlebrook left Pontiac for Chevrolet as GM-VP, "we need a Camaro Firehawk"...ergo, SLP's 2-sticker Camaro SS, converted in Montreal by those same Firehawk fans who also built the Gen-4 Firebird RamAir WS6, initially... The basis for the converted SS? Yuuup, the venerable and vaunted Z28.

Gen-5:

Where's the Z/28? MIA...but "stay tuned"...

YOU can assign whatever "position" you like to the missing Z/28. But go to any car show/gathering and count the classic Camaros you see...now, go back and count how many of those wear the "Z/28 badge of honor"...

And your question was...?

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Old 10-25-2011, 12:28 PM   #166
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I just thought of something, maybe GM is waiting on next generation 5 small block V8 introduction, so they can make a Z28 with a 440 or 450 hp Direct injection engine, just a thought.
Why bother?! Ya got 426 hp now...and the BOSS has 444 with 200+ fewer pounds. 25 hp won't do it...and fuel economy isn't a factor, yet...

If you compare contemporary tests from '69, BOSS vs. Z/28, they were pretty much evenly matched, depending on carburation and driver. The only reason to bring a Z/28 to market, now/soon, is to at least MATCH but preferably BASH the BOSS...and in a car that weighs 3850 +/-, that'll take the ready-to-go LS7...
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Heritage means half a dozen things to 6 different people...

Gen-1:

By '69 (the only year they made the "no one but hard core drag racers want it" ZL1), the SS, Option Code Z27, sold about 34,000 units, with FIVE separate engines available (1-350/4-396s), and as many as SEVEN transmission combos (2-3speeds/2-automatics/3-4speeds, depending on engine chosen). A/C was available on hydraulic-cammed engines (300-325-350hp). ALL things to ALL people...except:

Option Z/28-Special Performance Package was the homologation-for-Trans Am-Series package with ONE engine size backed by one-of-three 4speed transmissions-only, with the best brakes (PFDB required, 4WDB optional), and biggest and only 15 X 7" wheels (non-COPO), and the best suspension ALL as standard or mandatory features. NO slushbox trannies, NO air. NO pretense. NO illusions. NO doubt.

THE single most replicated Camaro extant, to this very day...

Gen-2, what SS, after '72? They did away with Z/28 in '75 and 6, but when a performance varient was brought to market in '77, what name was deemed "can't miss"? Uh-huh, Z/28...

Gen-3, what SS? The Z/28 name was so hallowed, the V8 were ALL called Z28, until Chev's relationship with the IROC Series was formalized in a cladding-equipped version...

Gen-4, after SLP's modest sales success with the Firehawk (91-95), and AFTER John Middlebrook left Pontiac for Chevrolet as GM-VP, "we need a Camaro Firehawk"...ergo, SLP's 2-sticker Camaro SS, converted in Montreal by those same Firehawk fans who also built the Gen-4 Firebird RamAir WS6, initially... The basis for the converted SS? Yuuup, the venerable and vaunted Z28.

Gen-5:

Where's the Z/28? MIA...but "stay tuned"...

YOU can assign whatever "position" you like to the missing Z/28. But go to any car show/gathering and count the classic Camaros you see...now, go back and count how many of those wear the "Z/28 badge of honor"...

And your question was...?



They glue SS emblems on Trailblazers.
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Old 10-25-2011, 01:27 PM   #168
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So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.
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