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Z06 had s 33 gallon gas tank, and special heavy duty springs front and rear, and revalved shock absorbers front and rear. And yes this COPO was started in 1963. As far as top dog yes, 1. Look at the sticker prices back then, which car cost more PER OPTION? 2. If the Camaro Z28 was no good at launching, why did they have numerically higher gears? 3:73s, 4;10s, with a 4;56 option available in 68& 69? Not great at launching, you ever drive a Z28? Hell the 69 I used to own the cam didnt come in till 3000rpm, red line was at 7000 on the AC tach and the damn thing didnt hardly want to idle below 1000 !!!!!!!! It had the cross-ram on it, god wish I had that car back, but my 72 aint no slouch either. O and remember the Original COPO ZR-1s, were big blocks.
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10-13-2009, 10:10 PM | #173 | |
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I'm stating the facts, which are the SS was a drag car (didn't need to handle or brake) & the Z/28 (designed for road courses, top-end perf.) was set up for the track. Apples and oranges! Auto Editors of Consumer Guide(unbiased info.) The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 Specifications Wheelbase, inches: 108.1 Weight, lbs: 3,720 Number built: NA Base price: $3,046 Top Available Engine Type: ohv V-8 Displacement, cid: 396 Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl. Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600 Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 3600 Representative Performance 0-60 mph, sec: 6.5 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.5 @ 99 The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Specifications Wheelbase, inches: 108.1 Weight, lbs: 3,765 Number built: 20,302 Base price: $3,185 Top Available Engine Type: ohv V-8 Displacement, cid: 302 Fuel system: 2 x 4 bbl. Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800 Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200 Representative Performance 0-60 mph, sec: 7.4 1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 15.12 @ 94.8 To the poster that asked, YES, I've driven a Z/28 and even owned a SS 396. |
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I'm not gonna post magazine tests for those cars because I've seen alot better times for both LOL. My point is the Z28 was good at drag and road racing. It's held records in both. Only the big block SS's are considered drag cars though, and they were the production minority. Funny how a 14 second car was a "drag car" back then! Most 396 SS's and Z28s would have gotten beaten by a 350 TPI IROC-Z in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile and destroyed in every other aspect of performance. One of my friends owns all 3 1st Gen Z28's and he can launch them great! They do lack TQ in the beginning but they come flying up on you!
I wonder if the weights in those tests are accurate. Both over 3700lbs and the Z28 weighing more?! Seems a little heavy for a 1st Gen with a small block.
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10-14-2009, 12:21 PM | #176 |
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A few months ago when Car and Driver tested the 3.6 Camaro they mentioned it's 0.7 second's faster than the SS396 they tested in 1968. So yeah, a 350 IROC-Z would run with that.
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10-14-2009, 01:39 PM | #177 |
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Does stock performance numbers really mean anything. Anyone that really cares about performance changes things to make them faster, lighter, handle better, ect. So does a badge on the car make it faster? I don't think so. What ever car that GM picks to be the top, you can always make the other one as good as it or better.
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To think the V6 Camaro can almost keep up with LT1 Z28s from not too long ago (weighing some 300+ pounds more) is pretty astounding to me. I wonder how long this performance will last? How long will there be a big enough market for GM, or anyone else for that matter, to support developing cars like this. Sure - we'd buy them, but the 17,000+ members we have couldn't justify this sort of car without the general public participating significantly. I'm for appreciating what we have and respectfully reflecting on generations of the past and recognize the huge improvements we've been able to enjoy over the last 40-years. Quote:
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10-14-2009, 02:56 PM | #179 |
The main thing Im seeing in these discussions is that people still want the Z28 option to return whether its top dog or not........Chevrolet, are YOU listening??? These new Camaros have more, no ALOT more HorsePower than we had in the 60s. A V-6 that makes more h.p. than alot of the V-8 versions of Yesterday!!! Better mileage, better handling,alot better safety measures built in the overall car. Camaro enthusiasts still need the Z28 to compete with Fords Mustang Shelby. If Ford can buid a supercharged mustang shelby, why cant Chevrolet follow suit? Not everyone wants a Econo box, there are those,(myself included) who would be interested in seeing a car such as this return to the Chevy performance line-up. Okay Chevrolet........ the balls in your court. How about it F-Bod Father? Talk to me?
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i have no idea about the history of the z28 versus the SS, hell, i'm not old enough to know the difference. but i think why people are assuming the z28 will be a higher tier than the SS is because of one simple thing: engine
the speculation is that the z-28 will have much more power. although it's only speculation at this point, i think this is the only reason. if no one ever mentioned engine differences, then no one would talk about which version was the higher tier. just my thought. and that's what i would think too if the z28 comes out with more power or a bigger engine.
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anyone can mod any car (there is no way to compare this) chevettes, pacers, etc... modded can run faster than REAL cars (no offense). |
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Clyde HORSEPOWER NUMBERS (From Super Chevy magazive SBC Shootout) RPM 302 327 350 350 ('71) 3000 167 196 208 199 3300 184 210 232 223 3500 206 232 254 246 3800 233 261 283 275 4000 248 275 298 291 4300 272 297 318 311 4500 283 308 329 324 4800 301 324 341 340 5000 311 333 347 347 5300 326 344 352 355 5500 333 349 353 361 5800 347 347 350 362 6000 350 348 348 361 6300 353 352 348 353 6500 356 347 342 345 6800 356 339 329 332 7000 352 331 312 319 TORQUE NUMBERS RPM 302 327 350 350 ('71) 3000 292 332 364 349 3300 293 334 369 354 3500 309 348 381 369 3800 322 360 391 379 4000 325 362 391 382 4300 332 363 389 380 4500 331 360 383 378 4800 329 355 373 372 5000 327 350 364 364 5300 323 341 349 352 5500 318 333 337 345 5800 314 314 317 328 6000 307 305 305 316 6300 295 293 290 295 6500 287 281 277 279 6800 275 262 254 257 7000 264 248 234 239 |
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