03-05-2021, 05:54 PM | #57 |
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I definitely recomend a better oil pump if you do a cam swap.
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03-08-2021, 05:19 PM | #58 | |
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Sweet so the 10355 is definitely a step up. So the 10355 hv might be over kill or good reassurance?
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10-4. I’ll get that when I get the cam.
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03-08-2021, 08:03 PM | #59 |
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I think if your planning on changing your block to a 416 then I’d give melling a call and discuss with them what would work, as bearing clearances and such might change, which will effect your idle oil pressure . You just wanna make sure it won’t suck your oil pan dry .
If keeping stock , I’m running a stock 6qt oil pan in my truck and haven’t sucked it dry at all . I also made sure by asking melling aswell. My truck has a l92 .6.2 |
03-08-2021, 09:02 PM | #60 |
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It’s somewhat common in the Gen 3 blocks to spin a rod bearing turning high RPMs. The stock rod bolts stretch. I’ve done it in the burnout box at the drag strip. The 1hr tow home sucks LOL.
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03-09-2021, 10:31 AM | #61 | |
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I don't believe it's possible to overpump a hydraulic journal bearing with oil. Net oil pressure increases with a larger pump, but the net increase in the actual volume of flow is minimal because it is limited by the construction and clearance of the bearing. Also I don't think there is enough clearance space in every bearing and every oil gallery in the entire engine to accommodate 6-8 quarts of oil all at once. I would welcome discussion if you know something about this that I don't.
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03-09-2021, 10:52 AM | #62 |
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[QUOTE=Triple5even813;10969159]I don't believe it's possible to overpump a hydraulic journal bearing with oil. Net oil pressure increases with a larger pump, but the net increase in the actual volume of flow is minimal because it is limited by the construction and clearance of the bearing. Also I don't think there is enough clearance space in every bearing and every oil gallery in the entire engine to accommodate 6-8 quarts of oil all at once.
I would welcome discussion if you know something about this that I don’t know I’ve never had first hand experience with tsp 416 or anything like that .I know it’s a striker motor but idk if the blocks are built the same . Choosing diff cranks and all that changes bearing clearances . I was just stating to the op that it would be wise to call melling if he decides to switch to a 416 or something , just to make sure he’s got his basses covered for oiling .. When I was researching for my oil pump for my truck I just wanted to make sure the pump didn’t pump faster than the oil returned to the pan or pumped my pan dry .. maybe it was from all the horror stories I’ve heard from the past about people sucking their oil pans dry running a high pressure pump .. There’s quite abit literature over at Ls1tech about this . Last edited by Risingson05; 03-09-2021 at 11:04 AM. |
03-09-2021, 11:08 AM | #63 |
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03-09-2021, 11:37 AM | #64 |
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It is debatable tho. Many in both sides , some say it’s more for road racers or auto x ‘ers as they spent a lot of time in high rpm’s and into the twisties , so maybe their more prone to it that your average street car enthusiast.
I for one as a average car enthusiast would not like to find out the hard way . I try and do as much research as I can till I feel comfortable with some definite answers . Especially when it comes to oiling as one hiccup can damn near ruin your whole motor lol |
03-24-2021, 11:36 AM | #65 |
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Finally got the car all finished and so far everything is running great. The guys at Dedicated Motorsports did a wonderful job. The car made 820rwhp on e85. The engine runs great and drives better than ever. The monster triple disc clutch is great too. But I think it is time to sale the car and get something stock to drive to work for a while.
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03-24-2021, 01:57 PM | #66 |
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03-24-2021, 04:21 PM | #67 |
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Yes. Want something with a warrenty and nothing customized for a while.
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03-28-2021, 01:08 PM | #68 |
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04-11-2021, 11:10 PM | #69 |
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Best of luck on it going forward, that’s a super shitty deal. Interested to see what failed and what direction you are taking in the future. Lots of different routes on this thread which is what I like and dislike about this forum..so many different people with different builds. Sucks to read some of these and see that I may have potentially missed good bolt-ons on my car. I like my Z but I feel like as soon as you touch anything on it there is a 100 parts that “should” go on for it to be safe. Some days I wish I had a C6Z with heads/cam that I never have to worry about..couple of my friends have them and they are insanely stout. I’ve seen a lot of guys running modded LSA’s without issue just gives me anxiety reading these posts.
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04-12-2021, 05:53 AM | #70 | |
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If I were to guess, the two largest contributing factors were an insanely (to me) too high shift point (7k) and a questionable history. I only say questionable because the op purchased his Z w/ 37k miles with no history or maintenance logs. How do we know know the oil was changed more than once? Or with the proper oil? Or proper amount? Then we can get into the tune. The OP wrote he sets the Z's point at 7K for all E85 bolt on Z's, and 7.4K for big cammed Z's. I think that's crazy and the tuner should rebuild his engine for free. The LSA is insanely stout, and can take a lot more power. But a proper build and tuner is a must, and the hp, boost and rev's must all be limited if you desire longevity. |
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