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Old 04-14-2017, 08:23 AM   #253
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Incredible. We must respect the fact that they could produce a car this ridiculous.
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:03 AM   #254
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Just so we're clear, don't forget the 100+ octane race fuel, slicks, skinnys and a custom aftermarket "stage III" tune which is all an option in the brochure (and required) making it the fastest production car on the planet.
Everyone else is arguing semantics, so lets get this right Snoman.

The car will run 9.90 with the "as installed ECM" and premium pump gas. If you want the crate and all of it's goodies, that option will cost you $1. That crate will be shipped directly from Dodge to the address of your choice. It includes the 100 octane or better Dodge calibrated ECM and the front runner setup (along with a host of other items). Once you install the factory calibrated and supplied 100 octane tuned ECM and front runners, the car will run the 9.65 and all while retaining the factory 3/36k bumper to bumper and 5/60k powertrain warranties.
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:47 AM   #255
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Everyone else is arguing semantics, so lets get this right Snoman.

The car will run 9.90 with the "as installed ECM" and premium pump gas. If you want the crate and all of it's goodies, that option will cost you $1. That crate will be shipped directly from Dodge to the address of your choice. It includes the 100 octane or better Dodge calibrated ECM and the front runner setup (along with a host of other items). Once you install the factory calibrated and supplied 100 octane tuned ECM and front runners, the car will run the 9.65 and all while retaining the factory 3/36k bumper to bumper and 5/60k powertrain warranties.
Will be entertaining to see the press get production vehicles and test actual true results vs. mythical ringers. Regardless, it's an impressive vehicle.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:08 AM   #256
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Yeah, and understand that I'm not under any grand illusion that everyone will be out tearing up dragstrips 9.65 seconds at a time. Heck, I'd venture to guess only a handful will ever be pushed to their limits. Either way, I am anxious to see what happens when they start hitting the streets.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:54 AM   #257
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On AllPar.com, there is a guy who works at a dealership who says that they have already had 6 people express interest in their 1 allocation for a Demon (the dealership is in Canada).

4 of those six people have said they will pay whatever the price is to get one, no questions asked. Another dealership rep said they are already getting bids from people to buy theirs (a USA dealer supposedly).

You think the ADM was crazy on the Hellcat? We haven't seen anything yet.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:30 AM   #258
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On AllPar.com, there is a guy who works at a dealership who says that they have already had 6 people express interest in their 1 allocation for a Demon (the dealership is in Canada).

4 of those six people have said they will pay whatever the price is to get one, no questions asked. Another dealership rep said they are already getting bids from people to buy theirs (a USA dealer supposedly).

You think the ADM was crazy on the Hellcat? We haven't seen anything yet.

I'm pretty sure is why Dodge hasn't released an MSRP. Since the manufacture is unable to sell direct, they want the dealerships to pay them $100k-130k to capitalize on any Market Value Adjustments.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:47 AM   #259
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Context matters. In the context of drag racing, most associate quicker with ET, and faster with trap speed.

Cool car, I'm interested in seeing what it runs in owners hands.
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FWIW....Records are separate for E.T. and Top Speed....Top Speed record is for the fastest MPH at the top end....Lowest ET is not necessarily or automatically the fastest....
Sorry, it didn't copy and paste very well....but you get the idea....lol...

But, hey, that's just that silly old NHRA and their records...., (which the Demon is so proud to have been banned from....)

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You didn't do it faster, you did it quicker. Quick refers to time, fast refers to speed or velocity.
I know... semantics.

But in the real world... if we are equal drivers, my car traps 140, your car traps 143, and my car always wins, nobody is going to say your car is faster than mine.

So Dodge's claim of being fastest is fine.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:52 AM   #260
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I know... semantics.

But in the real world... if we are equal drivers, my car traps 140, your car traps 143, and my car always wins, nobody is going to say your car is faster than mine.

So Dodge's claim of being fastest is fine.
Anyone who drag races would

Semantics is the meaning of words, don't dismiss the contextual meaning just because you don't like it.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:12 PM   #261
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I'm pretty sure is why Dodge hasn't released an MSRP. Since the manufacture is unable to sell direct, they want the dealerships to pay them $100k-130k to capitalize on any Market Value Adjustments.
I don't think that has anything to do with why they haven't released the pricing yet. Dodge has already said the car would be sub-$100K so we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Either way, there will be plenty of people with deep enough pockets willing to pay whatever is needed to get a Demon.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:14 PM   #262
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Anyone who drag races would
Would they really?

So how would they answer the question, "Then why do you always lose?"
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:22 PM   #263
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Would they really?

So how would they answer the question, "Then why do you always lose?"
Because the other car is quicker
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:29 PM   #264
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Here's one of the online articles I was referencing. Is CNN a reputable enough source, with a quote from an executive at FCA claiming it can take corners faster and stop better than the other cars in Dodge's performance lineup?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/11/auto...llenger-demon/
So corners faster & stops better than any other Dodge - Heck a Honda could do that!
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:39 PM   #265
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Because the other car is quicker
I get that.

But in the real world... the world where the word "faster" is commonly used to describe completing a task in a shorter period of time than someone or something else does... my car is faster because it always beats yours.

Grasping at the technical difference between "faster" and "quicker" in claiming that your car is faster than mine would elicit this... ... from virtually everybody on Earth... except maybe Miriam Webster and a few crusty old drag racers.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:42 PM   #266
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Or engineers or crash reconstructionists, like myself, that understand the proper meaning of the English language. Time and velocity are different things entirely, hence different words are used to corolate them.

I get what you are saying Jimmy, but so far all everyone has done was kindly point out the differences. That's not samantics.
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