[ilirg]

Believe it now?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...-42-132-a.html

Wow...impressive to say the least. I know we won't get the same out of an LT4 Camaro, but damn we should be able to get it into the 10s in similar conditions. 11.0 shouldn't be a problem. Those Cup2 tires I know are essentially street slicks, but they aren't drag tires either.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by ilirg

An a8 z06 just went 10.4 at 132 bone stock stock wheels and tires. I think a heavier camaro with an lt4 and a8 will be a low 11 second car, it will compete just fine with the hellcat.

That is definitely quick in my book.

[v8]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

Amen brother!!! I love all the people posting sales figures why the Camaro doesn't need to be faster. Like I give a flying F*** about how many camaros Gm sold last quarter when I'm getting spanked by a hellcat. It's a goddamn Camaro, a pony car.

Couldn't agree with you more

[RobWH]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The Hellcat isn't a whale on the track but it's not in the same league as the ZL1s handling.

In a real world test on actual road, the 2 covered the same exact ground in the same exact time... w/ in a 1/10th and it had turns and uphill from what I remember.

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

- and I have heard nothing about any GT500

http://www.2015ford-mustang.com/2017-shelby-gt500/ Consider yourself... have heard.

Still a rumor, but a solid one at this point.

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Give me 800 horsepower and I'll make that work otherwise I'll keep my old car and make that work. The 800 horsepower create incentive to purchase something new. 455 hp not so much. Modern Pickup Trucks have pretty that much.

I'm having trouble recalling a single new pickup w/ 455hp. Are we including diesel power?

They are close, I suppose. Still, the truck weighs in well over 4,000 lb and the Camaro... oh wait.

500hp should do, but there's something to be said about a new model that, with even less power, can easily outrun the old.

If you drive your high horsepower car into a ditch you shouldn't be driving anyway.

I do agree there.

Originally Posted by ilirg

An a8 z06 just went 10.4 at 132 bone stock stock wheels and tires. I think a heavier camaro with an lt4 and a8 will be a low 11 second car, it will compete just fine with the hellcat.

10.4 is "animalistic" and hard to believe, even having watched the video.

Low 11's from a stock Camaro sounds awesome too, but who wants to spend $80,000 on a Camaro as is? In that range, I'd take a Corvette instead.

Originally Posted by H13rarchy

Would be great to see a new Camaro run 11.0 from the factory, quicker with radials.

Yeah, but the cost. Side note: if it happens w/ 650hp or less, that would be much more impressive than 710+ in my book.

[Bhobbs]

Sorry but no way is Ford making a 5.8 FPC. They had a hard time keeping the initial 5.2 Voodoos from shaking themselves apart. The most reasonable rumors I have seen are TT 5.0 or another supercharged version.

[RobWH]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Sorry but no way is Ford making a 5.8 FPC. They had a hard time keeping the initial 5.2 Voodoos from shaking themselves apart. The most reasonable rumors I have seen are TT 5.0 or another supercharged version.

Don't apologize to me.. it's a rumor, but not one I started.

Besides, it's not about the engine, but the GT500 itself.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by RobWH

In a real world test on actual road, the 2 covered the same exact ground in the same exact time... w/ in a 1/10th and it had turns and uphill from what I remember.

That test was a joke in terms of putting either car to the test in handling. A 38 sec point to point spring with standing start with what 3 curves. I think the real thing learned from that was neither car was pushed so the driver ended up posting the same time.

[RobWH]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

That test was a joke in terms of putting either car to the test in handling. A 38 sec point to point spring with standing start with what 3 curves. I think the real thing learned from that was neither car was pushed so the driver ended up posting the same time.

Sounds like... the real world. There are stops and starts and turns and nobody is allowed to go 100+ in attempt to get somewhere.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by RobWH

In a real world test on actual road, the 2 covered the same exact ground in the same exact time... w/ in a 1/10th and it had turns and uphill from what I remember.

http://www.2015ford-mustang.com/2017-shelby-gt500/ Consider yourself... have heard.

Still a rumor, but a solid one at this point.

I'm having trouble recalling a single new pickup w/ 455hp. Are we including diesel power?

They are close, I suppose. Still, the truck weighs in well over 4,000 lb and the Camaro... oh wait.

500hp should do, but there's something to be said about a new model that, with even less power, can easily outrun the old.
I do agree there.

10.4 is "animalistic" and hard to believe, even having watched the video.

Low 11's from a stock Camaro sounds awesome too, but who wants to spend $80,000 on a Camaro as is? In that range, I'd take a Corvette instead.

Yeah, but the cost. Side note: if it happens w/ 650hp or less, that would be much more impressive than 710+ in my book.

OK, I fudged a little. The 2015 Silverado 6.2 is only 420 hp but it's near enough to my point.
Chevy needs to put a number on their "lighter Camaro" that surpasses the 707 hp Dodge. It would make a very serious statement. So what if it has a premium to it, some people will buy it. If you think the Dodge will stay pregnant for very long I'd bet against you.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by RobWH

Sounds like... the real world. There are stops and starts and turns and nobody is allowed to go 100+ in attempt to get somewhere.

Lol no doubt there. And in the real world 580hp or 700hp makes no difference.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

If you think the Dodge will stay pregnant for very long I'd bet against you.

Considering the Challenger shares its platform with the charger/300, do not expect miracles. They will need to develop a completely new chassis to make a real difference. Then that would probably mean nothing in common with the charger, and in turn much more expensive. If they had been selling like the Camaro and Mustang have the last few years, I'd bet they would invest. But Charger and 300 are what makes the Challenger practical. Could they cut a hundred or so pounds...sure.

[lbls1]

I'm not sure if GM will have time to do this. Currently their best cars have hp ratings no higher than 650 hp, so I don't see Camaro going much higher than that. The other thing is that the tightening CAFE regulations will certainly affect v8 production as the years go by; Which will mean that mega hp, gass guzzling products are sure to be curtailed as we approach 2020.

Of course, GM is capable of doing what they intend to. Its just a matter of how long they will be permitted to produce high horsepower v8 cars.

[v8]

Originally Posted by RobWH

Sounds like... the real world. There are stops and starts and turns and nobody is allowed to go 100+ in attempt to get somewhere.

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Lol no doubt there. And in the real world 580hp or 700hp makes no difference.

I beg to differ sir. You don't have to go 100+ to use 700hp. A quick sprint to 60MPH and I'll bet you feel the difference between 580 and 700.