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If GM tested the vehicle with listening equipment they would find differences. We have done seat of the pants back to back 'testing' with different people listening. Car 1 OE Car 2 EP1200s installed. Not a single person could tell a difference. It isn't scientific, but it is real world. There is not a single person that has installed them and found them to create a noise issue. And is this "rear end step out" what I feel when taking a bumpy curb at 45mph and the back end feels like it is skipping across the road? Yes, that is rear end step out. We could add lowering coils, change the dampers, add a rear sway bar and all they would do is change the point at which it occurs because none of these address the cause of the condition you describe. When the IRS shifts from side to side or front to back or a combination of the two in a twist the motion creates rear end step out. Other parts will mask it or alter the point at which it becomes a bother, but only sub-frame inserts or sub-frame bushes will correct the condition at the source. |
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08-25-2010, 06:43 AM | #75 |
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OK I understand what you are trying to say about the bushing, basically the inserts stiffen up the rear, Correct? By doing this it allows the rear to be more firmly planted on the ground,better traction etc.....
So the next question is since it has better traction and the power is more placed to the ground then the stress will be moved from the bushings to where? I guess the next weakest link which would be???? Thanks |
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For a daily driver, the Camaro leaves that factory as a GREAT automobile. It needs very few adds to be a GREAT AUTOMOBILE. We start with sub-frame bush inserts, then move to radius bush inserts as the foundation. The front lean and roll doesn't cause any handling issues for the vast majority of Camaro owners. They just want less body lean and roll. That is easy. We add a larger front sway bar. With these three upgrades or modifications the Camaro is complete for the majority of owners as far as daily driver performance. The next step would be THE LOOK. Many want a lowered look. The look is not a performance issue. The look is a fashion statement. Lowering coils will fill the bill for a fashion statement, but coilovers are the better solution as a performance upgrade. I'll stop here, because the intent of this thread is how to modify your Camaro to be a better daily driver. If you and others want to continue the discussion I'll be happy to go into more detail. |
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08-25-2010, 11:49 AM | #77 |
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Mine is not a daily driver, but I do not race either. Just looking for a stance and less body roll on winding country roads and entering the interstate is all. I have increased the HP on my car but do not come near using all that I have. Put it this was my car is over a year old and I have 6700 miles, babied miles, mostly interstate.
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08-25-2010, 12:04 PM | #78 |
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I'm glad to see the bushings have been brought up in this thread. Personally I think they should be the first mod before sways. I had them put on my car along with their Xa coil overs; I'm still on the factory sways. The difference in the handling of the car is nothing short of amazing.
I don't know what your level of driving skill is but for a street only car, I'd definitely recommend the bushings first. Drive it that way a week or two to become familiar with the change in handling, then consider sways. I know you've gone sways first but once you get the bushings done, you're going to be amazed not only at how much better the car handles, but at the improvement in the stability of acceleration and braking. That's the benefits of the bushings. Since you're doing "spirited" driving, I'd also recommend upgrading your brake fluid to Super Blue or something equivalent and also braided stainless steel brake lines. Too often people only think of power and cornering when they think of performance and neglect upgrading their braking ability. You can't go wrong with Pedders though and welcome to the Pedders nation!
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OK, first , love this thread. learning a lot. I just want to make sure this info applies to the V6 as well and whether the parts mentioned are also what I would use?
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