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Old 10-22-2012, 10:10 AM   #1
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New Cor 4-piece Wheels ***WARNING***













I attended a track day on May 6th 2012 at Auto Club Speedway with my good friends at HG Motorsports. This was just a track day and by no means, a competitive event. I had run a few sessions on the course and I decided have a go with an instructor in my passenger seat. When I came in to turn 16 of the “Sports Car” layout, instead of turning, the car proceeded to skid to the ground and I went straight off of the course. I looked in my rearview mirror and saw my wheel rolling out behind me. I knew that all of my wheels had been torqued properly, as the instructor did it himself. From the way that the car had ended up, I immediately had a feeling that the front passenger side wheel had broken. Sure enough, as you can see from the pictures, that was the case. Keep in my mind that I was also riding on a brand new set of Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires. Because the wheel had come off, the car rode the 14.25” inch disc of the AP Racing 6 piston front brake kit. In addition, the wheel and tire had bounced around in the front fender, inside the wheel well, causing severe body damage.

HG Motorsports was kind enough to put the car on their trailer that they brought their race car on and tow it back to San Diego, while they drove their race all the way back to San Diego. The car was brought to Heinz Geitz Autohaus, a sister company of HG Motorsports, where they were nice it enough to leave it on one of their lifts until we could get some new wheels on the car. While at Heinz Geitz Autohaus, the techs there also discovered that the front driver side wheel has hairline cracks forming in the same area as where the front passenger wheel broke. See pictures.

About the wheels: My father had purchased these wheels brand new from Peter at ACG back in March of 2011-- Cor Precise in 20”x9.5 in the front and 20”x10.5” in the rear with a brushed center and polished lips. A week before the event at Auto Club Speedway, I had the center of the wheels painted gold. They were not powder coated, nor were they disassembled. They were professionally prepared and painted by a well known shop that does wheel repair work and prepares race cars.

After the accident, photographs and word got around quickly. The very next day, Peter from ACG called to let me know that he had heard what had happened and that he had already been in contact with Cor. Cor wanted us to send the wheels back to them for testing to find out what could have cause the problem. After “analysis,” Cor denied the responsibility and determined that the wheels would not be covered under warranty.

Our attorney sent a letter to Cor asking them to reimburse us for the wheels and pay for the damages to the car. Their reasoning for denying responsibility (see email) was that because the wheels had been painted and because I was at a track event, they were not under warranty and therefore Cor would not pay for the damages. Conveniently, Cor actually added the “track use” specification to their list of what denies warranty after we had brought this issue to their attention. Luckily, two days after the incident happened, I actually took a screenshot of their warranty page before the change. As you can see, the original page did not include the specification of “track use.”

Cor states that they are denying warranty because the wheels were used on the “track” when they have conflicting information on their website that promotes the use of their wheels on “tracks”, in “race” type functions, etc. I have posted photos of various instances where Cor uses these phrases throughout their website. I apologize in advance if some of the screenshots may be difficult to read.

For those of you who have a set of Cor wheels on your car, I suggest you have inspect them immediately. For those of you contemplating about purchasing a set of Cor wheels, I suggest you look elsewhere for a set of wheels.

I would like to thank HG Motorsports for towing the car back to San Diego, keeping it at Heinz Geitz, and for returning the car back to the way it was before the incident. Dieter, Chris, and the entire crew at HG Motorsports and Heinz Geitz Autohaus are a great group of guys. I would also like to thank Chapparone Auto Body for doing a wonderful job at repairing the damage to the body. One of the best bodyshops in Southern California and Mark over there is a true class act.

This is the email the owner of Cor sent to our Attorney.

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Mr. Mayers,

We have received the wheels returned for warranty consideration. I have personally inspected the wheels and they conform to their design specification. The wheels were in fact repainted as your letter states and I am concerned about possible effects of the 3rd party paint process may have had on the wheels. Some processes have been known to adversely affect the aluminum material, which could lead to a failure of this kind. As mentioned, I will be having a sample of the failed wheel tested. In the meantime, I have had a chance to familiarize myself with the details surrounding this incident and I would like to point out that our products are designed for street use. The loads and the duration of the loads presented in a track environment are far greater than those experienced in day to day driving. I am sympathetic to your client’s unfortunate experience but I feel it is unreasonable to expect our company to be held solely responsible for the damages when the product was clearly not being used in the manner for which it was intended. As your letter states and the photographs provided clearly indicate, the vehicle was at a race track and the client was at an “instructional driving event”, not simply a car show. On this basis, we would have to deny the claim for warranty consideration.

If you would like to further discuss this matter, I would be more than happy to make myself available for a telephone conversation next week.

Kind regards,
Robert Herrera
This is Cor's warranty page two days after the event:


Here is Cor's current "updated" warranty page:


Here is a topic on Cor's blog in which they use a photo of our car, which they call a "Camaro," that Cor states that one can "gain unmatched performance on and off the racetrack" with their wheels:


Here is another one of Cor's blog post with the use of the word "track":


Here is Cor's About Us page in which they state that they make "competition" wheels:
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:19 AM   #2
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That really sucks, do you guys have any idea how it happened?
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:36 AM   #3
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That really sucks, do you guys have any idea how it happened?
Not at all. I was just in the middle of the turn going about 35 mph and it just broke. No explanation.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:11 AM   #4
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Don't you hate it when paint is not compatible with metal and it weakens the product. It seems to me that could have just as easily happened on the street. Good luck.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:12 AM   #5
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I would really like to know what the "analysis" of the actual product showed.... Not merely a statement of "fitment of use" relating to the technicality regarding warranty issues.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:18 AM   #6
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If they advertise as being usable on the track then how can their warranty state void if used at the track? Sounds like there will be a settlement eventually. Question is...will they make it cost more than it's worth to pursue. Good luck.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:18 AM   #7
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Shame on this company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never buy their products. I am just glad that you did not get hurt. It is just very bad buisness not to cover these wheels and I find it lame that they took this position. I manufacture racing parts for motocross bikes and stand behind everything we sell as it is cheaper to replace the part than to replace my customers.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:25 AM   #8
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Shame on this company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never buy their products. I am just glad that you did not get hurt. It is just very bad buisness not to cover these wheels and I find it lame that they took this position. I manufacture racing parts for motocross bikes and stand behind everything we sell as it is cheaper to replace the part than to replace my customers.
what an excellent way to run a business. This is how it should be. All this company had to do is replace the rims, end of story. Now this is going to cost them thousands in lost business potentially from this thread alone. Companies need to stand behind their products. simple as that


Sorry to hear about your rims OP, hope everything works out in the end
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what an excellent way to run a business. This is how it should be. All this company had to do is replace the rims, end of story. Now this is going to cost them thousands in lost business potentially from this thread alone. Companies need to stand behind their products. simple as that


Sorry to hear about your rims OP, hope everything works out in the end

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Old 10-22-2012, 11:31 AM   #10
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another reason for me to stick with OEM wheels..
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:27 PM   #11
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Thanks for all the cooments guys.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:24 PM   #12
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Are those wheels cast, forged, rotary forged?
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:49 PM   #13
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Damn that suuuuucks. Good luck with whatever happens. Wheels looked awesome on that car btw.
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Talk about bull shit!!! This shit pisses me off!!! I went through this with Richmond Gears, they sell the gears in a box that clearly states (3.73 2010 Camaro Street/Strip) and when the gears completely failed on the 6th pass at the track I was told, "our gears are NOT warranteed for track use!" I am glad you didn't get hurt!!! Thanks for getting the word out on this manufacturer!
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