Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Bigwormgraphix
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-17-2012, 09:03 AM   #29
Steve Dallas
Commits weekly crime
 
Steve Dallas's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 1LT
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Camano Island, WA
Posts: 9,492
Heck, even with the new Mustang that slated to be out...what's the big deal. Ford still makes the slower car. That'll be their top of the line car, where we will have the Corvette ZR1.

Eat tail lights, Ford....
__________________
2017 Camaro 1LT - Blue Barchetta IV
I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar. Tires spitting gravel I commit my weekly crime.
Steve Dallas is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:06 AM   #30
blufin

 
blufin's Avatar
 
Drives: Fire Engine
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: WPB, Florida
Posts: 1,416
Quote:
Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post
Why not both the GT500 and Boss? I'm sure Motortrend could have got both cars. I'm actually pretty impressed with the ZL1. It seems like a very well balanced car. Looking forward to the 2013 GT500 vs 2012 ZL1 showdown!
I think because its already been proven that the Boss is faster around a track than the 500.

I too am looking forward to a full comparo between all models.
__________________
12.618 @ 110.75 Bone Stock 1/4 mile
8.165 @ 86.52 Bone Stock 1/8 mile
11.189 @ 124.44 on a 1.73 60' TVS2300 3.4 pulley, JRE tuned, Kooks LT headers and HF cats, MBRP catback exhaust, CAI intake, ADM scoop. Stock wheels/tires.
Sold
blufin is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:09 AM   #31
radz28
Petro-sexual
 
radz28's Avatar
 
Drives: Ultra-Grin
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia
Posts: 13,223
I'm sorry to those posts that were deleted because of quotes. There was some trash to sweap away...

If I remember correctly, unless the Track Key and front splitter were legalized for street-use, this is a car equipped for racetracks that a TRUE streetcar has beaten around this particular track...

KUDOS GM. Considering how much for Ford boys put into the LS, it's great to see GM accomplish what it has with ZL1, and to think this is the first year, it's only going to get better

To those that still complain about the weight with what appears for no regard for anything else: "...Coupled with a stiffer body and more compliant suspension, the Camaro is a more capable car around the track..." I guess that extra weight to make a better car does amount to something...
__________________
'20 ZL1 Black "Fury"
A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor
radz28 is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:17 AM   #32
GoldenBear
Bear Backer
 
GoldenBear's Avatar
 
Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 1,490
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver_Shelby View Post
With all of the Hype surrounding the ZL1 vs GT500, I would have thought to see a review between the 2. They should have tested it against the GT500
I think that Motor Trend wanted to test the top track cars from Ford and Chevrolet, and the ZL1 and the Boss 302 fit that bill. From the testing that I've seen, it appears that the GT500 is better suited to a straight line than a road course.
__________________
Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6
GoldenBear is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:21 AM   #33
10forty2
 
10forty2's Avatar
 
Drives: 1992 Chevy K5 Blazer
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: NC
Posts: 576
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Dallas View Post
Heck, even with the new Mustang that slated to be out...what's the big deal. Ford still makes the slower car. That'll be their top of the line car, where we will have the Corvette ZR1.

Eat tail lights, Ford....

Good point! If the argument is that they didn't compare the top of the line Ford muscle with the ZL1, then let's go back to the track with the GT500 vs. ZR-1..... I'm just sayin.....
__________________
Love beautiful photos? Please visit:
http://dougloganphotography.zenfolio.com
10forty2 is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:27 AM   #34
evolve
 
evolve's Avatar
 
Drives: 03 Cobra
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Cyber Space
Posts: 508
I want to see 1/4 mile run on the same track at the same time. I mean, how many of us actually run our cars at a track and how many at the strip? LS is a great tool to measure handling performance, but I am a 1/4 kind of person just as most Camaro/Mustang people are. I understand that the Boss is a track car, but I am very interested to see them both at a strip. Last I checked the Boss will be about equal in the 1/4. ZL1 ran 12.3 and the Boss ran the same at 115.
__________________
2003 Cobra (Stock Motor/Boost Only)
640rwhp/ 550rwtq on 93...
Well over 700rwhp on CORN
evolve is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:41 AM   #35
GoldenBear
Bear Backer
 
GoldenBear's Avatar
 
Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 1,490
Quote:
Originally Posted by evolve View Post
I want to see 1/4 mile run on the same track at the same time. I mean, how many of us actually run our cars at a track and how many at the strip? LS is a great tool to measure handling performance, but I am a 1/4 kind of person just as most Camaro/Mustang people are. I understand that the Boss is a track car, but I am very interested to see them both at a strip. Last I checked the Boss will be about equal in the 1/4. ZL1 ran 12.3 and the Boss ran the same at 115.
As I've stated many times, from all the of the information I've read about the design of, and the technology that's included in the ZL1, I believe that the ZL1 was developed first and foremost as a track car. If the 1/4 mile is really one's preferred venue, then purchasing a ZL1 may not be the best use of one's money. A lot of the ZL1's technology will be wasted, if one is only going to run a ZL1 at the drag strip. Some variant of the COPO Camaro, or a modified SS, may be a more appropriate use of one's funds, if one wants a Camaro intended primarily for the 1/4 mile.
__________________
Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6
GoldenBear is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:44 AM   #36
Russell James


 
Russell James's Avatar
 
Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Mich
Posts: 4,393
I think the article is spot on with all points, I don't see a single error in it.

The Lugana Seca is a faster track car than the current GT500, so they put up their fastest lap time car up against the fastest lap time Camaro. The '13 GT500 comparison to the ZL1 will be interesting.

One of their last statements was also very accurate.... going to need a bigger track. Take the '13 ZL1 and the '13 GT500 over to the 'Ring, and lay the laps down with the same pro driver.

It will also be interesting to see the price point of the GT500. If it's in supercar dollars, take a Z06 and ZR1 along for giggles.
Russell James is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:50 AM   #37
blufin

 
blufin's Avatar
 
Drives: Fire Engine
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: WPB, Florida
Posts: 1,416
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBear View Post
As I've stated many times, from all the of the information I've read about the design of, and the technology that's included in the ZL1, I believe that the ZL1 was developed first and foremost as a track car. If the 1/4 mile is really one's preferred venue, then purchasing a ZL1 may not be the best use of one's money. A lot of the ZL1's technology will be wasted, if one is only going to run a ZL1 at the drag strip. Some variant of the COPO Camaro, or a modified SS, may be a more appropriate use of one's funds, if one wants a Camaro intended primarily for the 1/4 mile.
I agree 100%.

That's why I backed out of buying a ZL1 and started modding my SS.
__________________
12.618 @ 110.75 Bone Stock 1/4 mile
8.165 @ 86.52 Bone Stock 1/8 mile
11.189 @ 124.44 on a 1.73 60' TVS2300 3.4 pulley, JRE tuned, Kooks LT headers and HF cats, MBRP catback exhaust, CAI intake, ADM scoop. Stock wheels/tires.
Sold
blufin is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 09:59 AM   #38
10spokess
Wild and Cammed
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro SS
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pasadena, MD
Posts: 755
I thought the ZL1 did the quarter in 12.1? I'm sure someone on here is going to break into the 11s without trying too hard
__________________
10spokess is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 10:08 AM   #39
b4z

 
Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '09 V8 SRX RWD
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,413
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swacer View Post
This article has made more justification to why Motor Trend is junk. Comparing a supercharged ZL-1 to a slightly tuned/naturally aspirated version of the Mustang GT. This was stupid.

I was provided with only the following:

1. The GT500 was either not provided to Motor Trend for this, or they were afraid how poorly the outcome would be.

2. I'm a little scared that a supercharged Camaro can only marginally defeat a tuned Mustang GT. So either Ford did great, or GM didn't do enough?

3. I learned some nice things about the components that make up the ZL-1. But that about it.

Other than that....MT junk. Not hating...just...disappointed.
Not sure i agree with you. The purpose of using the LS is that it is their track car. Just like the Z06 is faster than the ZR 1 At the track despite its 133hp deficit to the ZR1. Keep in mind that the ZL1 has 100 lbs of supercharger and inter cooler on the front end and Chevy had to do a lot of engineering to overcome that weight. If ford had offered up their current gt500 it would have been beaten even worse.
b4z is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 10:26 AM   #40
AUS10BMX

 
Drives: 2010
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: G
Posts: 1,260
Power to weight, power to weight... The ZL1 will most likely be way stronger than the new GT500, I don't care what horse power number is being shown. The strength and technology in the ZL1 is what I believe will carry it in the long run. Like most keep stressing, for the money, look at what your getting! I think once it hits the streets and we as consumers get to drive it, it's gonna surprise a lot of people. The wait is almost over, let's not let numbers from a source that's obviously one sided get people upset and doubtful.

And if its just a "track car", then why wouldn't it be perfect for road driving. The streets aren't a drag strip... This cars gonna handle like a dream in any conditions.
AUS10BMX is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 10:53 AM   #41
actireman
 
Drives: 2011 denali hd2500
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: clarkston, mi
Posts: 186
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell James View Post
I think the article is spot on with all points, I don't see a single error in it.

The Lugana Seca is a faster track car than the current GT500, so they put up their fastest lap time car up against the fastest lap time Camaro. The '13 GT500 comparison to the ZL1 will be interesting.

One of their last statements was also very accurate.... going to need a bigger track. Take the '13 ZL1 and the '13 GT500 over to the 'Ring, and lay the laps down with the same pro driver.

It will also be interesting to see the price point of the GT500. If it's in supercar dollars, take a Z06 and ZR1 along for giggles.
Spot on and well said.
actireman is offline  
Old 01-17-2012, 01:20 PM   #42
camaro is king
 
Drives: want VR camaro ss
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Nova scotia
Posts: 2
Camaro ZL1 beats Boss 302!

Motortrend did their comparison and the ZL1 came out on top!
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...eca/index.html
camaro is king is offline  
 
Closed Thread

Tags
2012 camaro z1l review, 2012 camaro zl1, 2012 camaro zl1 reviews, 2012 zl1, 2013 camaro zl1, 2013 camaro zl1 review, 2013 zl1, boss 302, camaro zl1, camaro zl1 forum, camaro zl1 forums, camaro zl1 info, camaro zl1 review, camaro zl1 reviews, chevrolet camaro zl1, chevy camaro zl1, chevy camaro zl1 forum, chevy camaro zl1 info, comparison, zl1 camaro, zl1 forum, zl1 forums, zl1 info, zl1 review, zl1 reviews

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Transcript of Camaro ZL1 Q&A Webchat with Chevrolet Tran Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 42 12-22-2017 04:42 AM
BREAKING: 2012 CAMARO ZL1 - 6.2L LSA Supercharged - 6MT Revealed! Tran Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 756 05-01-2013 06:22 AM
Boss 302 Laguna Seca not even street legal??? snapp32e General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 22 11-27-2011 12:53 PM
CAMARO ZL1 FAQ and INFORMATION radz28 Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 280 11-04-2011 01:33 PM
2012 ZL1 vs. 2012 Boss 302 thePill Chevy Camaro vs... 302 04-23-2011 09:16 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:09 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.