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[axis]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

constant cold air hitting an area will make it colder than the ambient temperature.at least that's my understanding. I think it happened with the New eras too.

That would mean that any CAI that is keeping their air at or very near ambient temps would do the same thing. No one else is claiming this.

Originally Posted by Wacker

I disagree. It is possible to see a lower than ambient temp with certain airflow characteristics. Anytime air is allowed to expand there is a direct decrease in temp. I'm guessing this is part of the unit. The update to Palmer can read ambient vs IAT. When I get back into town next week I will run some more logs with the race unit.

Where is the air expanding? For air to expand, it has to be compressed first. If anything, it has to compress to get into the tube, from the big box. If they are still claiming to be able to get positive pressure in the manifold, then the air is being compressed even more.

I'm just trying to figure out how they claim to be able to get below ambient air with their unit. I've heard anywhere from your 5 degrees to 20 degrees below ambient. 5 degrees could be within the margin of error while driving around but 20 is just out there. Sorry if this is coming across as me being stubborn but i'd like to hear the REASON they are getting these numbers. I appreciate yalls ideas as to why you think it's happening but some of it doesn't hold water. I tend to doubt anything new until it's been proven by someone that doesn't have a stake in it's success or has profited from it. That's not putting you beta testers down, just that yall recieved free units. Several of yall have given honest opinions and we appreciate that but there's still that thinking on OUR side that you're somewhat obligated to VR.

[towmoe]

Originally Posted by Wacker

I'm testing the race unit now. Just ran it at idle then had to leave town. I did have over 100 miles on the last unit, but it was the 3" tune model and yes it did buck but it should have. I could have tuned it for drivability but did not want to repeat effort since the race unit was coming. I'm not a good candidate for the "no tune" as I only run tune units.

Is Vararam selling race units now?

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by axis

That would mean that any CAI that is keeping their air at or very near ambient temps would do the same thing. No one else is claiming this.




Where is the air expanding? For air to expand, it has to be compressed first. If anything, it has to compress to get into the tube, from the big box. If they are still claiming to be able to get positive pressure in the manifold, then the air is being compressed even more.

I'm just trying to figure out how they claim to be able to get below ambient air with their unit. I've heard anywhere from your 5 degrees to 20 degrees below ambient. 5 degrees could be within the margin of error while driving around but 20 is just out there. Sorry if this is coming across as me being stubborn but i'd like to hear the REASON they are getting these numbers. I appreciate yalls ideas as to why you think it's happening but some of it doesn't hold water. I tend to doubt anything new until it's been proven by someone that doesn't have a stake in it's success or has profited from it. That's not putting you beta testers down, just that yall received free units. Several of yall have given honest opinions and we appreciate that but there's still that thinking on OUR side that you're somewhat obligated to VR.

I actually paid for my unit...

Patrick could probably give a long dissertation on how the unit is able to achieve sub-ambient temps, but I think most people would get lost. In one word Vacuum. I agree there is a margin of error here. Like I said when I get back I will run some logs on the new intake.

[towmoe]

Originally Posted by Wacker

I'm testing the race unit now. Just ran it at idle then had to leave town. I did have over 100 miles on the last unit, but it was the 3" tune model and yes it did buck but it should have. I could have tuned it for drivability but did not want to repeat effort since the race unit was coming. I'm not a good candidate for the "no tune" as I only run tune units.

You're testing a race unit? Is this something that Vararam is selling?

[axis]

Originally Posted by Wacker

I actually paid for my unit...

Patrick could probably give a long dissertation on how the unit is able to achieve sub-ambient temps, but I think most people would get lost. In one word Vacuum. I agree there is a margin of error here. Like I said when I get back I will run some logs on the new intake.

I'd like to hear Patricks explanation then. I've heard what yall have thought could be happening and what has been explained to you, but there's quite a few pieces missing here. Again, I do appreciate yours and Tags honesty about your experiences.

[RobertHarriSS]

Originally Posted by axis

I'd like to hear Patricks explanation then. I've heard what yall have thought could be happening and what has been explained to you, but there's quite a few pieces missing here. Again, I do appreciate yours and Tags honesty about your experiences.

Give him a call: 1-713-477-8100. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to explain it all to you. As any of us that have spoken to Patrick can attest to, he's more than willing to talk your ear off.

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by towmoe

You're testing a race unit? Is this something that Vararam is selling?

I have a race unit and it runs GREAT.

[SwiftCat]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

I have a race unit and it runs GREAT.

Hey Powerfreak,
Just out of curiosity, who did you have do your tune after you put the unit on? I've got mine through Vector, so I'm waiting for Kirk to grab on to one of the "tune-only" units so he can maximize it before I put mine on.

Swifty

P.S. As they say, don't go to war w/out your helmet on!

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by SwiftCat

Hey Powerfreak,
Just out of curiosity, who did you have do your tune after you put the unit on? I've got mine through Vector, so I'm waiting for Kirk to grab on to one of the "tune-only" units so he can maximize it before I put mine on.

Chuck CoW...of Corvette's of Westchester. He can do mailorder tunes if you have EFI Live.

[Johnwayne]

Originally Posted by Ject

No Deal is 100% until it the deed is done.

Out of respect to myself and other members, Pm's are being/have been sent to certain members to discuss what has been said in here that I find dis-respectful.

Before any negative Nancys jump on this, I am just stating what I have, what I noticed and I don't have.

I was #23 on pre-order, replacement unit is here, have tested it on car just a few moments ago. First notice was the unit felt more sold and less fragile as the first one did. Have 26ish miles on replacement unit thus far and still some bucking but not as extreme as first unit (bucking could possibly go away as more miles are added &/or tweaking of tune)

I scoured the bottom of the peanut filled box for a return label, then the outside of box hoping to find a packing pouch with it inside maybe. None to my avail. Possibly over looked? possibly UPS knocked it off?

If anyone wants to know more of my input on the original vs revised unit, PM me out of respect or if you don't agree with anything, still PM out of respect to discuss.

Until then, enjoy.

This is why i wont buy this piece of shit it's all hyped up and thrown together quick and tons of preorders it's too much for them to handle and they rushed it all. It's garbage there are tons of "units" with problems..... Let me just end it with this soooooo out of all the CAI's out there how many had "bucking", "leaking" and "customer service" problems where they wont take the thing and wont refund money. Just my .02

[SwiftCat]

Originally Posted by Johnwayne

This is why i wont buy this piece of shit it's all hyped up and thrown together quick and tons of preorders it's too much for them to handle and they rushed it all. It's garbage there are tons of "units" with problems..... Let me just end it with this soooooo out of all the CAI's out there how many had "bucking", "leaking" and "customer service" problems where they wont take the thing and wont refund money. Just my .02

Kind of a moronic rant if you ask me...your $.02 isn't worth squat because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. First, the units aren't crap (I've got one on my car right now), and second, Steve was willing to refund me when I considered going with another CAI...although I've decided to try out a replacement that is sealed better.
Until you've tried one, remember that R&D isn't always an exact science...and compared with some of the other vendors I've dealt with, these guys have been pretty "stand up" in my humble opinion.
Swifty

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Johnwayne

This is why i wont buy this piece of shit it's all hyped up and thrown together quick and tons of preorders it's too much for them to handle and they rushed it all. It's garbage there are tons of "units" with problems..... Let me just end it with this soooooo out of all the CAI's out there how many had "bucking", "leaking" and "customer service" problems where they wont take the thing and wont refund money. Just my .02

You are on a roll tonight.....

[axis]

Originally Posted by SwiftCat

Kind of a moronic rant if you ask me...your $.02 isn't worth squat because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. First, the units aren't crap (I've got one on my car right now), and second, Steve was willing to refund me when I considered going with another CAI...although I've decided to try out a replacement that is sealed better.
Until you've tried one, remember that R&D isn't always an exact science...and compared with some of the other vendors I've dealt with, these guys have been pretty "stand up" in my humble opinion.
Swifty

While I agree with your assessment of the quoted poster, why is the retail customer involved in R&D? Shouldn't that have been taken care of LONG before you got your hands on it?

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by SwiftCat

Kind of a moronic rant if you ask me...your $.02 isn't worth squat because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. First, the units aren't crap (I've got one on my car right now), and second, Steve was willing to refund me when I considered going with another CAI...although I've decided to try out a replacement that is sealed better.
Until you've tried one, remember that R&D isn't always an exact science...and compared with some of the other vendors I've dealt with, these guys have been pretty "stand up" in my humble opinion.
Swifty