05-31-2011, 01:16 AM | #1 |
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ProCharger or Vortech
Considering, it's spring many Camaro owners are completing the most amazing performance mod there is "Forced Induction"; Now that there is more information available on the many models and systems I know within my circles more people are going with the centrifugal superchargers instead of the tried and true old school roots style.
I decided to go with the ProCharger system, and I am very pleased with the results, ease of installation, maintenance free setup, no drilling, no meth, no coolant redirection, no hassles, and the 3yr. warranty and if you decide to forge / stroke the engine in the future you can easily excercise upgrade options available from ProCharger to the larger F-series head units. If you have installed a ProCharger or Vortech SC, it would be great to share pics., dyno charts, track results (if you drag or road course your vehicle), and read about all of your experiences.
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05-31-2011, 06:34 AM | #2 |
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I'd rather see a time slip than a dyno sheet any day of the week.
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05-31-2011, 07:29 AM | #3 |
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So jealous! I want to put a s/c on my SS but I just cant pull the trigger and drop $6-8k on the setup.
Time slips are nice but they are all driver subjective. I do not really take my car to the 1.4 mile much myself although I plan on throwing in some decent money into it to get around 475-500 which is much more than any daily driver needs, but hey I like the power!
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05-31-2011, 09:55 AM | #4 | ||
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Regardless, though, it's relevent so I'd like to see some of those as well. Quote:
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05-31-2011, 10:03 AM | #5 |
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I like timeslips.
If/when I go FI, what I can put down at the track is what matters. That includes issues like traction, how it will work with an automatic with high-stall torque converter, heatsoak and cooling, etc. Guys at the track with icebags on their Whipples and waiting 30 minutes are steering me away from that. As for the ProCharger in the picture above, what are the real world and track IATs? Does the placement of the Intake harm IATs? Padre |
05-31-2011, 10:37 AM | #6 | |
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Thinking logically; If a roots style SC is sharing hot engine oil, and hot coolant, plus sits on top of your engine, and further contributes to heat soak while it does it's own revolutions it only makes sense that it will affect IAT's and pull timing. One thing my techs quickly realized from their experiences of installing the roots SC vs the centri SC, is that the environmental air temps are always less than the fluids running through an engine and therefore the air will be cooler even on a scorching hot day. This was examined many times after performing dyno pulls with Maggies' vs ProChargers (on hot / humid days last summer). Now if I really wanted to increase performance I could do like the Maggie setups and implement a meth. kit, but that would be strictly to get some more power by using it as a fuel supplement. Thing is I don't even have to do that, because I can simply change pulleys if I want to increase the boost. So, meth is useless in this scenario. The ProCharger is surely a superior product and believe me, I've got all the instant torque I can handle in the lower RPM ranges, anything more would be overkill.
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05-31-2011, 10:50 AM | #7 |
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To the guy who posted about Times on the track..
You are aware at 700+ RWHP, applying it to the ground is the hardest part. Regardless of the type of SC you chose? When asked what is the BEST supercharger? The debate is Coke vs Pepsi. And the answer is simple; Which one do YOU like best. I, like Chris like the procharger, I am also a fan of the Kenny Bell system. But to me, the BEST system is the SYSTEM I SPENT MONEY ON.... Period. When you have 10+g's to invest into your car, you literally have the pick of the litter.. so why not pick the one you REALLY REALLY want. |
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05-31-2011, 12:01 PM | #9 | |
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If you are addressing me...then thank god you told me this....I never knew that traction would be an issue. Charlie Sheen comes to mind. I don't have a dog in the fight...I've run all kinds of forced induction from Vortech's to Prochargers to screws to nitrous.....and when anyone starts bragging about their dyno queen then the same comment will come from me....and that is what does it run. I don't care about the ET....any simpleton knows that ET doesn't tell much of a story but mph is the truth. It can be corrected for altitude and weather conditions and is the only consistent measurement in my opinion....still not perfect but way better than a dyno sheet. Regardless of brand. |
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Track R serious bizness for some of us. Padre |
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I think for most, it's more about the driving experience than sitting on a race track waiting your turn with a bag of ice on the roots SC to get a piee of paper. My understanding of racing is man vs machine which equates to "driver skill" with similar vehicles. In my case a slower car with a better driver can and will surely beat me at the track. I do understand though for some folks their mod goals are to achieve certain #'s at the track, but that was not my focus when I stared my mod plans. For me having the dyno queen #'s simply shows the level of skill of the technicians and the quality of the SC product along with other factors of the vehicle itself which displays the value of the workmanship and confidence in the product used to achieve those power gains. Additionally, sharing those dyno #'s I hope assists others who may want to do as I did and research the various products before making the typical choice simply because everyone else is going down a certain path. However, I'm preparing to obtain the necessary gear so I can do some tracking this summer as well, just for the experience that is one of my goals for doing the upgrades on the vehicle I like to think of it as recreational performance driving that racing for #'s or records. Realistically, my goals are to experience that same ol'skool driving experience, and at the same time have my vehicle perform like many other high performance (boosted) vehicles and use it for a bit of weekend recreation. Quote:
BTW - Post up your sheet, and let me know what you thknk when you get the ride. I know you're going to be real happy.
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06-01-2011, 12:38 AM | #12 |
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We need to get someone setup with the turbonetics turbo kit and compare the three
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I"m hoping to see the ProCharger #'s because of the various versions and differences between them, so would be nice to see turbo's too.
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06-01-2011, 12:54 AM | #14 |
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To see what trully is the best kit on the market if possiable to compare them all
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