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Normagene · 08-30-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

How about when you are participating in a fun run and after 2 runs, your SC is heat soaked... The Z/28 won't suffer this and is just as comfortable as you make it.

Some of you are making the Z/28 out to be a caged sheet metal on wheels with no creature comforts... IMHO, OP should go with what will yield the best resale value since they are only a $1,000 difference in cost. But as Justice stated...

Performance wise, Matt recently installed a custom 3 gallon ice tank in the trunk that is dedicated for the supercharger. To increase the flow, he added a Meziere WPS136 pump. Still kept the stock pump and the D3 reservoir, so it should have plenty of cooling now! This is on top of the E85 flex fuel conversion last year!

KaBoom1701 · 08-30-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Normagene

Performance wise, Matt recently installed a custom 3 gallon ice tank in the trunk that is dedicated for the supercharger. To increase the flow, he added a Meziere WPS136 pump. Still kept the stock pump and the D3 reservoir, so it should have plenty of cooling now! This is on top of the E85 flex fuel conversion last year!

I'm curious how this works out? Does the ice last very long?

flipstyledsm22 · 08-30-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cal45

Mines a daily driver with mods and I have never experienced heat soak.
Nothing wrong with the Z28 - its a great track focused car but the ZL1 is a much better every day car (for me).

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Not everyone is fortunate to know when their vehicles are acting different. Some people are more sensitive to the sounds and feeling, where as others will need hard data to show a vehicle is not running right. If you don't believe that these cars get heat soaked easily, look up all the heat soak threads and read up. After a few hard runs in the hot summer sun, my SC sounds louder, the car feels a tad sluggish, and my pulls start to feel less aggressive.

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Originally Posted by Normagene

Performance wise, Matt recently installed a custom 3 gallon ice tank in the trunk that is dedicated for the supercharger. To increase the flow, he added a Meziere WPS136 pump. Still kept the stock pump and the D3 reservoir, so it should have plenty of cooling now! This is on top of the E85 flex fuel conversion last year!

We're assuming, these vehicles the OP is debating about are stock.

If we throw in what the OP 'could do' to each car, the options would be limitless either way he chooses.

cal45 · 08-30-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

Not everyone is fortunate to know when their vehicles are acting different. Some people are more sensitive to the sounds and feeling, where as others will need hard data to show a vehicle is not running right. If you don't believe that these cars get heat soaked easily, look up all the heat soak threads and read up. After a few hard runs in the hot summer sun, my SC sounds louder, the car feels a tad sluggish, and my pulls start to feel less aggressive........

I'm not saying it is not an issue on the track - but hasn't been an issue for me DD'ing my car for over a year with current mods. Who knows, maybe I'm just not beating my car enough doing hard run after hard run on the streets....but I have never felt my car to be sluggish and have always had the pull when I need it for passing or entering a highway or other.

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flipstyledsm22 · 08-30-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cal45

I'm not saying it is not an issue on the track - but hasn't been an issue for me DD'ing my car for over a year with current mods. Who knows, maybe I'm just not beating my car enough doing hard run after hard run on the streets....but I have never felt my car to be sluggish and have always had the pull when I need it for passing or entering a highway or other.

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I wasn't talking track. I've had a few good runs on the notorious Mexico Freeway and felt the heat soak set in. Don't get me wrong, DD'ing and small get-ups will not effect you much, but if you are putting in 3 to 4 hard runs back-to-back, you'll feel it. Especially if the outside temp if above 90 degrees.

cal45 · 08-30-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

I wasn't talking track. I've had a few good runs on the notorious Mexico Freeway and felt the heat soak set in. Don't get me wrong, DD'ing and small get-ups will not effect you much, but if you are putting in 3 to 4 hard runs back-to-back, you'll feel it. Especially if the outside temp if above 90 degrees.

That must be it, never have done 3 - 4 hard runs back to back......but occasionally have done 2 on those same Mexico Freeways and felt no performance loss......and we are always over 90 here in FL. Heat soak is an issue depending on how you use the car. There are solutions on the aftermarket to resolve that issue if one feels they need to.

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Can'tHave2MuchHP · 08-30-2016, 05:18 PM

I still would like to know the prices of the two Zs he's looking at, because as stated before, the ZL1 should be 10k+ Cheaper. At least around me, Z28s are 56k+ at dealerships and ZL1s are around 40-43k for a '13 Coupe. Since dealerships basically NEVER are willing to take a loss on a car, I bet the OP would be getting ripped off if he bought the ZL1, but that's just a rough guess.

Normagene · 08-30-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

We're assuming, these vehicles the OP is debating about are stock.

If we throw in what the OP 'could do' to each car, the options would be limitless either way he chooses.

My comment wasn't for the OP, it was for/to any ZL1 owner having Heat Soak issues. It's just one of many possible solutions.

URBAN LEGEND · 08-30-2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

I wasn't talking track. I've had a few good runs on the notorious Mexico Freeway and felt the heat soak set in. Don't get me wrong, DD'ing and small get-ups will not effect you much, but if you are putting in 3 to 4 hard runs back-to-back, you'll feel it. Especially if the outside temp if above 90 degrees.

I had to ration my WOT runs on the street. Too many and the car wouldn't respond. I had about 2 roll WOT hits. After that it was dead mode.

nvydvr · 08-30-2016, 07:38 PM

So, I got tired of reading some of these novels that were written... Did the OP buy one of the cars or not?...

Trickskier · 08-30-2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Normagene

Performance wise, Matt recently installed a custom 3 gallon ice tank in the trunk that is dedicated for the supercharger. To increase the flow, he added a Meziere WPS136 pump. Still kept the stock pump and the D3 reservoir, so it should have plenty of cooling now! This is on top of the E85 flex fuel conversion last year!

That's impressive! Looks a lot like a Flux Capacitor!!!

JusticePete · 08-30-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nvydvr

So, I got tired of reading some of these novels that were written... Did the OP buy one of the cars or not?...

bkevind · 08-30-2016, 08:23 PM

Does anyone with ZL1 spray meth/mix into the intake to get a cooler intake charge? I wouldn't tune for meth injection, but leverage it to minimize heat soak. IAT's should be much reduced...

Maybe that's an import thing ...

Mpsmith1 · 08-30-2016, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nvydvr

So, I got tired of reading some of these novels that were written... Did the OP buy one of the cars or not?...

Me too. Well since OP hasn't participated in the thread in the last 9 days, I am beginning to doubt the cars are real. As several people have commented, it doesn't make sense that a 13 ZL1 with 5k miles and a 15 Z28 with 500 miles are $1,000 apart in price. That's weird.

Pics or it didn't happen, as they say.... ;-)

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08-30-2016, 07:38 PM	#80
nvydvr Drives: 2015 Red Rock ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Panama City Beach, Florida Posts: 1,097	So, I got tired of reading some of these novels that were written... Did the OP buy one of the cars or not?... __________________ Alex 2015 Red Rock ZL1 Panama City Beach, FL

08-30-2016, 05:18 PM	#77
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	I still would like to know the prices of the two Zs he's looking at, because as stated before, the ZL1 should be 10k+ Cheaper. At least around me, Z28s are 56k+ at dealerships and ZL1s are around 40-43k for a '13 Coupe. Since dealerships basically NEVER are willing to take a loss on a car, I bet the OP would be getting ripped off if he bought the ZL1, but that's just a rough guess.

08-30-2016, 08:23 PM	#83
bkevind Drives: 2013 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Austin Posts: 555 View My Garage	Does anyone with ZL1 spray meth/mix into the intake to get a cooler intake charge? I wouldn't tune for meth injection, but leverage it to minimize heat soak. IAT's should be much reduced... Maybe that's an import thing ...