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Old 03-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #29
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The hood sets the two apart enough, and I would bet the exhaust will be differant as well. The 1LE will help fill in a void between the SS and the ZL1 and have a warrantry to boot. When we first heard about the future
ZL1, there were many on this forums hoping for a Z28 for around the 40K
price. Sounds like this is going to be the answer for those, unless of course you were also interested in loosing another 300 lbs and a LS7 engine. Oh well wishfull thinking I suppose. But this car will fill a need, and if your going to invest R & D in the ZL1, you might as well use some of it for the other models in the family tree.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:27 PM   #30
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Is this even for real? Exactly what part of a 1LE looks like a ZL1 going down the road? The side rockers, spoiler , quad exhaust tips and rims?

I'm pretty sure your not going to mistake a ZL1's front fascia and hood coming at you on the road for one of the lesser models.

Maybe a COPO is in order for more exclusivity. Wait.... that kinda resembles a 5th gen as well.

Oh well, off to the Bugatti dealer so i will NEVER be mistaken for a Camaro again.
So can I offer you a LS camaro with a LSA for 60K?? From the side and rear the 1LE and the ZL1 are very similar. I am just saying the 1LE could at least have its own rims While we are at it lets not be naive, when you pay more for something you like for people to know that. People like for others to know they are driving something special period. Still don't believe me check out the sales of the VW Phaeton.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:07 PM   #31
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Don't forget functional aerodynamic enhancements All the electronic magic through PTM and LC probably add even more value to the hardware you just posted
I yeah there is more I was just trying to illustrate that just the hard parts could cost 15k.

People always brig up the cost of the ZL-1 then state they could add all that for less but in reality you would struggle to add all ot if for less. you may be able to add the part you like for less.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:14 PM   #32
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Agreed, seems that everything that would differentiate the ZL1 from other models was 'borrowed' for this package. Everything except the hood looks similar, all the front, side, rear body moldings, the exhaust, and wheels look the same.
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Maybe its just me, but the 1LE borrows a little too much from the ZL1 for me. I know the real difference is under the hood, but going down the street they will look very similar. I liked the world where no other Camaro looked like the ZL1. It still bothers me that most people don't know if my SS is a V6 or V8. That being said I guess most people will not know my ZL1 is supercharged, exotic slaying beast
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
I see both sides to the argument but I agree more with with these guys here. In 69' the ZL1 was so exclusive hell they only built 69 of them. Now with the new ZL1 and a $15K-$20K difference from the 1LE, a little more exclusivity would be nice for the ZL1.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about making your Camaro the way you want it to look and who cares what others think but like I said, the ZL1 should be a little more exclusive. If GM had developed new wheels for the 1LE instead of using the SSX/ZL1 wheels, then I would have no problems at all. At least then it would not look like a ZL1 at first glance. But in the end its still a Camaro and that's all that should matter
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:47 PM   #33
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
Especiially since the LSA's internals are not forged. If you wanted a ZL! and then upgrade the blower, you would probably better served buying the 1Le and putting an aftermarket blower on it. Both will require a new shortblock if you want to get silly..
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:48 PM   #34
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"While they were working on the 1LE, GM’s engineers also grabbed everything they could out of the Camaro ZL1‘s parts bin, so the 1LE also gets ZL1-spec tires, ZL1-based wheels, the ZL1′s track-oriented fuel pump and its wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts. It also gets the ZL1′s suede-esque shift lever and flat-bottom steering wheel, just for kicks". (Web Review of 1LE)


We all know most people will mistake a ZL1 for any other Camaro. Those same people will mistake a Shelby for just a Mustang and a M3 for just a BMW. To me thats really not the point, non car people are non car people for a reason, they could care less. I just feel some of the ZL1's uniqueness has been lost by sharing so many of its specific parts.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:34 PM   #35
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I dont understand why they dont start with a base model camaro and from there you could check what you wanted. Understandably certain features would require certain additonal items. For me i cant stand the front bumper on the v8 cars. Why cant i buy a v6 car with a v8?

I think it would be nice if i liked these wheels and this engine I could actually buy that instead of just offering it in certain trims. And then i am stuck with certain options.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:40 PM   #36
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I think the models look different enough. The MATTE BLACK hood and the RED BRAKE CALIPERS on the 1LE really stand out to me enough that even if I weren't a "CAR GUY" I would know that the ZL1 is not a 1LE and vice versa. Once on the inside, the fact that the stitching is "GREY" and not "RED" like the ZL1 also distinguishes the model and there of course is the STICHED "ZL1" logo on the headrests in our cars. Even the brakes on the ZL1 are stronger 6 piston compared to 4 piston on the 1LE.

I'm glad Chevy made the 1LE without the MAG RIDE SUSPENSION and it's priced very competitively at UNDER $40k. It's crazy that it pulls over 1g without the magnetic ride suspension in such a heavy car still!
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #37
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mag ride suspention ~3k
lsa motor 6-7k (price the LSA then the LS3 big $$$ dif.)
all the track pack ~3k
updraded trany, diff, etc should make up the other ~2k

that gets you to 15k.

now on the flip side if somebody does not want the mag ride just boost or add N/a power to the 1lE. The 1le has teh .74 5th so all those people that drive in the 190's regularly would get there extra top end.

Your forgot the fact that ZL1 has PTM and the 1LE doesn't.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:56 PM   #38
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So can I offer you a LS camaro with a LSA for 60K?? From the side and rear the 1LE and the ZL1 are very similar. I am just saying the 1LE could at least have its own rims While we are at it lets not be naive, when you pay more for something you like for people to know that. People like for others to know they are driving something special period. Still don't believe me check out the sales of the VW Phaeton.
I think if you stop looking at what other models have in common and start looking at what the ZL1 does NOT have in common with any other model. You will be much happier.

I am 100% positive anybody who knows anything about a 5th gen will never confuse your car with an LS. If your concerned with the general public not knowing you have the uber model. Well. your out of luck on that one as the general public half the time thinks a 5th gen is a Mustang or a Challenger or god knows what else.

And lastly, if it was an LS model with the many vast power and handling upgrades in a ZL1 yeah i will take it for a reasonable price. Your getting a crap load more than just an LSA for that money.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:03 PM   #39
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Did you buy your SS so other people could know it was a V8? Instead of what it's made for, extra power.

IMO most people won't visually know the difference between any camaro, including the zl1.
Hell, a large portion of people think it's a mustang.
But they definately will hear and feel the difference, which is what you are paying for anyway.
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Actually the more under the general radar the better. I like the fact that it will be a little stealthy. May get to surprise a few more people.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:13 PM   #41
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I dont understand why they dont start with a base model camaro and from there you could check what you wanted. Understandably certain features would require certain additonal items. For me i cant stand the front bumper on the v8 cars. Why cant i buy a v6 car with a v8?

I think it would be nice if i liked these wheels and this engine I could actually buy that instead of just offering it in certain trims. And then i am stuck with certain options.
If they did that you would have a million and one combinations, probably not very profitable
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"While they were working on the 1LE, GM’s engineers also grabbed everything they could out of the Camaro ZL1‘s parts bin, so the 1LE also gets ZL1-spec tires, ZL1-based wheels, the ZL1′s track-oriented fuel pump and its wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts. It also gets the ZL1′s suede-esque shift lever and flat-bottom steering wheel, just for kicks". (Web Review of 1LE)


We all know most people will mistake a ZL1 for any other Camaro. Those same people will mistake a Shelby for just a Mustang and a M3 for just a BMW. To me thats really not the point, non car people are non car people for a reason, they could care less. I just feel some of the ZL1's uniqueness has been lost by sharing so many of its specific parts.
OMG ORLY? I think you should have your Camaro Card revoked if you can't distinguish between a ZL1 and a 1SSw/1LE or 2SSw/1LE..C'mon Man....you're bringin' me down dude
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