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Old 08-22-2010, 03:43 PM   #99
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U are totally correct, the stock size verter joe is building is for this reason
Not dissagreeing with u at all.

I am sure someone will figure out the multi disc stuff but I have tested MANY verters over the yrs in 4L60's and locking them up was worth only mph....This was of course on NA setups ranging from 11.90 to 10.80...

My 10.60 383 LT1 nitrous car did pick up .1 locking up at the top of 2nd....

Supercharged is propably running a version of my 12" too
Just goes to show u that a 9.5" isnt always needed...


I am going to base line my car next week (NA)
Then do the verter and go the following week (NA)
I will keep records of DA to compare, sit tight
Keep us posted...
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Old 08-22-2010, 03:50 PM   #100
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When I reference WOT lockup this includes applying full throttle after TCC application. I personally prefer the TCC to stay engaged after lockup. On an FI motor a single disk is not going to hold for long if any.
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:55 PM   #101
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Well aware or multi disc verters with fi
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:09 PM   #102
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The Protorque converter uses the Stock Lock up clutch, becasuse we feel that it can handle a lot of torque.

Many guys are putting alot of power through the stock converters with no failures.

There are two ways to look at multi vs single, Multi has more surface area but gives up Mean Radius so it may be a wash

If Wacker is right about the 17ish psi pre apply pressure, (no doubt) a multi clutch will also increase the drag while unlocked.

The larger single disc May actually have more capacity due to Mean Radius, and for now let the numbers speak for themselves.

4-5 Tenths ET, with Zero loss of Driveability, no additional heat, for 829.00 is the best bang for the buck.

This one stalls at 2600, Higher stall will probably blow away the tires.

We are looking for a complete package and the Protorque had Come through with flying colors.

Think about this, a daily driver that clicks off 10.50s was unheard of just a few years ago.

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Old 08-23-2010, 10:07 PM   #103
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The Protorque converter uses the Stock Lock up clutch, because we feel that it can handle a lot of torque.

Many guys are putting allot of power through the stock converters with no failures.

There are two ways to look at multi vs single, Multi has more surface area but gives up Mean Radius so it may be a wash

If Wacker is right about the 17ish psi pre apply pressure, (no doubt) a multi clutch will also increase the drag while unlocked.

The larger single disc May actually have more capacity due to Mean Radius, and for now let the numbers speak for themselves.

4-5 Tenths ET, with Zero loss of Driveability, no additional heat, for 829.00 is the best bang for the buck.

This one stalls at 2600, Higher stall will probably blow away the tires.

We are looking for a complete package and the Protorque had Come through with flying colors.

Think about this, a daily driver that clicks off 10.50s was unheard of just a few years ago.

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Thanks Ted. The 17ish psi is only on before lockup, no drag while unlocked. I agree the Protorque converter (with stock lockup) will hold good power, but not as much as a multi disk. Are they working on getting more stall out of the unit? 2600 is okay for a blown motor but way too low for the NA guys.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:50 PM   #104
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Why do u need a multi with your setup, its na?

Yes Joe just send me mine, it should stall to 3000 and for my cam only setup it should be fine..
If I go centri after the cam I think it will work too

The PD blowers are the ones that dont need alot of stall
Case in piont teds customers car, very impressive to say the least...
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:22 AM   #105
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Why do u need a multi with your setup, its na?

Yes Joe just send me mine, it should stall to 3000 and for my cam only setup it should be fine..
If I go centri after the cam I think it will work too

The PD blowers are the ones that dont need alot of stall
Case in piont teds customers car, very impressive to say the least...
I will be FI soon, maybe next summer. Yes that car is ridiculous, I am jealous.
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:06 AM   #106
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Thanks Ted. The 17ish psi is only on before lockup, no drag while unlocked. I agree the Protorque converter (with stock lockup) will hold good power, but not as much as a multi disk. Are they working on getting more stall out of the unit? 2600 is okay for a blown motor but way too low for the NA guys.
He can put the stall anywhere I want it for each specific application.

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Old 08-24-2010, 09:13 AM   #107
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Let me add this.

The Torque converter is the single most important part to bring any combination together.

Torque converters have been marketed by stall speed, Stall speed is NOT the WAY to Choose a Converter.

Here is why, Stall speed is in Direct Relation to INPUT Torque, so a converter that is sold as a 2800 may only stall at 2000 on one car and 3500 on another.

And Stall speed is only part of the equation, Torque multiplication, and efficiency are HUGE Factors that are not on the sticker on the box.

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Old 08-24-2010, 01:23 PM   #108
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Pardon my continued ignorance Ted but how do you find out what those other factors are
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:37 PM   #109
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Pardon my continued ignorance Ted but how do you find out what those other factors are
You look at the Results we post, and trust we will get you set up with the right converter for your specific needs.

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Old 08-24-2010, 06:49 PM   #110
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To piggy back on Ted...To make sure you get the right converter for your application, you should always give the converter builder as much info as possible. A good shop will set the converter up to your car and your car alone and if they get it wrong the first try they will fix it for free.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:08 PM   #111
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I went with the Circle D because of quality, reputation, customer service, and I firmly believe the smaller 258mm converter will stall quicker than a 300mm unit with the same setup. It simply takes more power to turn a larger diameter/heavier unit. IMO you can't go wrong by choosing Protorque, Circle D, or Yank. All three have the best reputation/record in the industry.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:08 PM   #112
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I mentioned earlier the converter I run has two clutch surfaces, Chris clarified this for me letting me know by design it has three.
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