GT350R Nurburgring time

[DenverTaco07]

or...lack there of. Ford won't release info on the time it ran at Nurburgring.

I wonder why?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthu...A8pgPu#image=2

"Pericak ran the stopwatch while the GT350R lapped the Nordschleife but hasn't yet decided if he'll share that number publicly."

"I have the time. Yeah, we're very happy with the performance of that car, extremely happy with its lap times," he says. "Of course we know what it'll run. We just don't want to engage in that debate."

[shaffe]

Well Ford has never released times before, so I don't expect them to start now. They have never touted lap times at any track

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Well Ford has never released times before, so I don't expect them to start now. They have never touted lap times at any track

^^^This^^^

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

or...lack there of. Ford won't release info on the time it ran at Nurburgring.

I wonder why?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthu...A8pgPu#image=2

"Pericak ran the stopwatch while the GT350R lapped the Nordschleife but hasn't yet decided if he'll share that number publicly."

"I have the time. Yeah, we're very happy with the performance of that car, extremely happy with its lap times," he says. "Of course we know what it'll run. We just don't want to engage in that debate."

Because they never have...ever. I guess Ford Performance doesn't see it as a marketing tool, just a development tool. Think about it, there have never been any official Ford released times. The 2nd gen GT time was run by a 3rd party, some random Euro mag. TeamRS may have run the Focus RS but they at that time were much like the Aussie FPV, e.g. more akin to Ford Racing.

[ilirg]

Maybe they never advertised their times because they just were never that good to brag about.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Maybe they never advertised their times because they just were never that good to brag about.

Because there are too many variables with the 'Ring to make it a reliable and repeatable measuring stick.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Because there are too many variables with the 'Ring to make it a reliable and repeatable measuring stick.

ok, so they don't want to use such an unreliable measuring stick that many performance cars do use - maybe they should stay off the ring then.

Do they post their 1/4 mile times? There are no variables in that right?

And they don't mind doing it for the Focus...of all cars:

8:26 Ford Focus RS Horst von Saurma Ford conducted test (08/2009)

Seriously though if the GT350R ran like a 7:40 to 7:45, they'd be all over it.

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Because there are too many variables with the 'Ring to make it a reliable and repeatable measuring stick.

They said they are extremely happy with the time, so obviously the ring time holds some weight to them. Who cares how it matches up to other times, a good time is a good time. They should share the results, its not like ring times sell cars so why not?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

ok, so they don't want to use such an unreliable measuring stick that many performance cars do use - maybe they should stay off the ring then.

Do they post their 1/4 mile times? There are no variables in that right?

And they don't mind doing it for the Focus...of all cars:

8:26 Ford Focus RS Horst von Saurma Ford conducted test (08/2009)

Seriously though if the GT350R ran like a 7:40 to 7:45, they'd be all over it.

Maybe Ford or any other company doesn't want to release their times, as it's their choice.

They've said many times they use the Ring as a developmental tool, that is why they go there.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

ok, so they don't want to use such an unreliable measuring stick that many performance cars do use - maybe they should stay off the ring then.

Do they post their 1/4 mile times? There are no variables in that right?

And they don't mind doing it for the Focus...of all cars:

8:26 Ford Focus RS Horst von Saurma Ford conducted test (08/2009)

Seriously though if the GT350R ran like a 7:40 to 7:45, they'd be all over it.

They use the ring for development, not advertising.

I don't think I've ever seen Ford release a 1/4 time, the rags to that.

TeamRS did the Focus time. TeamRS is a subsidiary of the Ford Racing division. Not exactly a home office kind of deal.

Even if the R hit 7:40 I don't think they would sing it from the hilltops. Its just not something they do.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

ok, so they don't want to use such an unreliable measuring stick that many performance cars do use - maybe they should stay off the ring then.

Do they post their 1/4 mile times? There are no variables in that right?

And they don't mind doing it for the Focus...of all cars:

8:26 Ford Focus RS Horst von Saurma Ford conducted test (08/2009)

Seriously though if the GT350R ran like a 7:40 to 7:45, they'd be all over it.

The only performance metric I can ever remember Ford publicly stating was that the 13 GT500 could hit 200MPH. Which hasn't happened yet, but one of the tests that tried said they felt the car could.

The only manufacturers I know of that like to tout their ring times are GM, Nissan and Porche. I know wikipedia isnt the most reliable source, but if you look at the fast lap list for production cars, those are almost all the manufacturer tests, GM, Porche, Nissan

Ferrari doesnt put lap times out, BMW doesn't, Mercedes doesn't, Ford doesn't. Some manufacturers just don't use Ring lap times for marketing

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

They use the ring for development, not advertising.

I don't think I've ever seen Ford release a 1/4 time, the rags to that.

TeamRS did the Focus time. TeamRS is a subsidiary of the Ford Racing division. Not exactly a home office kind of deal.

Even if the R hit 7:40 I don't think they would sing it from the hilltops. Its just not something they do.

Wow, i've never seen any company not take advantage of a great advertising / marketing opportunity. I guess Ford hasn't taken that class yet.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Ferrari doesnt put lap times out, BMW doesn't, Mercedes doesn't, Ford doesn't. Some manufacturers just don't use Ring lap times for marketing

Well, they may not have official manufacture times, but they are on the list via third party, which is probably how they want it...where's Ford's unofficial times?

Look, i'm by no means an expert on any racing or even any car for that matter....but I find it interesting that they don't want to enter the Debate when they are extremely happy about the results. And if for some reason they are taking a principled stance against using the ring for marketing...well I find that very interesting too.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Well, they may not have official manufacture times, but they are on the list via third party, which is probably how they want it...where's Ford's unofficial times?

Look, i'm by no means an expert on any racing or even any car for that matter....but I find it interesting that they don't want to enter the Debate when they are extremely happy about the results. And if for some reason they are taking a principled stance against using the ring for marketing...well I find that very interesting too.

You can be happy with a result and still choose not to release said result.