Firearms Section

[IH8OPEC]

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

I paid 21 bucks a box. I didn't think that was terrible for winchester ammo.

A $1.05 a round is ridiculous considering the price this time last year it was $0.39 a round or less! That's one hell of a mark up thanks to the gov ordering far more ammo than they can possibly use for departments that do not carry weapons, for an example, over 450 million hollow point rounds of just one caliber were ordered for the DHS/TSA! Why?

They may not be able to ban weapons but they can sure as hell make ammo either hard to find or far too expensive to buy for normal people achieving almost the same effect as a ban. I say stock up on components like primers, bullets and powder and save your brass when you go to the range you may not be able to find it readily available in the near future.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by IH8OPEC

A $1.05 a round is ridiculous considering the price this time last year it was $0.39 a round or less! That's one hell of a mark up thanks to the gov ordering far more ammo than they can possibly use for departments that do not carry weapons, for an example, over 450 million hollow point rounds of just one caliber were ordered for the DHS/TSA! Why?

They may not be able to ban weapons but they can sure as hell make ammo either hard to find or far too expensive to buy for normal people achieving almost the same effect as a ban. I say stock up on components like primers, bullets and powder and save your brass when you go to the range you may not be able to find it readily available in the near future.

/tinfoil hat

DHS/TSA covers border patrol, secret service, CIA, FBI, TSA (air marshals, etc), and basically every single federal agency that is not the military. I've heard time and again that it's "more round than they could possibly use". That's not true. The government orders things like this in MASSIVE bulk to get a bulk buy discount we couldn't even dream of. This order does not go in once a year, but rather is a contract for several years (I believe 5).

Think about those times you go shooting, and how easy it is to plink through 100 rounds. What does it take you... 30 minutes maybe?

These departments need to train also. DHS employs more than 200 thousand federal workers, not to mention its contracted ones. Do the math:

Lets just pretend that all 200k use guns, and that none of the contracted ones do. 200k people. 450 million rounds. 5 years.

That's only 450 rounds per year, per individual. Do you really think that's excessive? I used to buy 500 rounds a month or more.

The inflation of prices is because of panic buyers, and panic buyers only. Supply and demand. Nothing more, nothing less. People are scared they will lose all of their rights overnight, and are stockpiling everything they can get their hands on. It happened in 2008 (not as bad), and they weren't even trying to pass the massive gun legislation they are now.

[IH8OPEC]

Originally Posted by kalimus

/tinfoil hat

DHS/TSA covers border patrol, secret service, CIA, FBI, TSA (air marshals, etc), and basically every single federal agency that is not the military. I've heard time and again that it's "more round than they could possibly use". That's not true. The government orders things like this in MASSIVE bulk to get a bulk buy discount we couldn't even dream of. This order does not go in once a year, but rather is a contract for several years (I believe 5).

Think about those times you go shooting, and how easy it is to plink through 100 rounds. What does it take you... 30 minutes maybe?

These departments need to train also. DHS employs more than 200 thousand federal workers, not to mention its contracted ones. Do the math:

Lets just pretend that all 200k use guns, and that none of the contracted ones do. 200k people. 450 million rounds. 5 years.

That's only 450 rounds per year, per individual. Do you really think that's excessive? I used to buy 500 rounds a month or more.

The inflation of prices is because of panic buyers, and panic buyers only. Supply and demand. Nothing more, nothing less. People are scared they will lose all of their rights overnight, and are stockpiling everything they can get their hands on. It happened in 2008 (not as bad), and they weren't even trying to pass the massive gun legislation they are now.

I threw the tinfoil hat away!

I cannot find any historical data right now but I don't think the government has made such a large purchase of hollow point ammo ever! I think the total of all ammo ordered (all calibers) for non military use is 1.2 billion rounds not just the 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow points I referred to above. Are they really training with hollow points? I think not, they're running the prices up by keeping supply down. That's all I was saying.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by IH8OPEC

I threw the tinfoil hat away!

I cannot find any historical data right now but I don't think the government has made such a large purchase of hollow point ammo ever! I think the total of all ammo ordered (all calibers) for non military use is 1.2 billion rounds not just the 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow points I referred to above. Are they really training with hollow points? I think not, they're running the prices up by keeping supply down. That's all I was saying.

I highly doubt that's the case. Hollow points are shown to be the most effective personal defense ammo while cutting down on possible collateral damage. And that order went in pre-Newtown. And even if it was the case, how does one explain the lack of .223, 9mm, .45acp, and various other ammo? If it was really the case, the only thing that would be hard to find is .40 hollow points. Ironically enough, the only thing I seem to find a LOT of is .40 FMJ (and 7.62/.308). It's panic buyers. It's the same ammo shortage as in 2008, just a longer duration. Same rounds hard to find. Same lack of magazines and firearms. Same price gouging. And that was done WITHOUT the DHS purchase. People are sheep.

I doubt they train with hollow points, but anybody that shoots knows it's important to train with the same round you use. FMJ and HP don't shoot the same. But, I also don't have any data on just how many people 450 million rounds is supposed to supply for 5 years. You also have to remember, that DHS has expanded at a huge rate in the last 10 years. It's very possible that an order that large was never made because there were not as many people to supply.

And I wouldn't throw your tinfoil hat away if I were you. I keep mine on the nightstand next to the bed.

[jonnyb]

For The Win? LOL

[driyac]

Originally Posted by jonnyb

For The Win? LOL

Barrett Model 95 Correct???? damnnnn

[Mr pogo]

Originally Posted by IH8OPEC

I threw the tinfoil hat away!

I cannot find any historical data right now but I don't think the government has made such a large purchase of hollow point ammo ever! I think the total of all ammo ordered (all calibers) for non military use is 1.2 billion rounds not just the 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow points I referred to above. Are they really training with hollow points? I think not, they're running the prices up by keeping supply down. That's all I was saying.

eventually ammo prices will come back down as the military reduces purchases and manufacturing builds up inventory after the panic buying.
I saw it in 1999 before the Y2K hysteria, when Obama got elected and now.
plus once ammo gets old enough it gets declared surplus by the government, used to be sold off whole but now I think they dissassemble the ammo and sell it separately.
I still have 7.62 radway green cases and south african battlepacks (140 rds @ $22 back in the day), it may not get that low ever again but I think prices will drop eventually.

I went to the Del Mar gunshow yesterday, not only did Crossroads of the West just about double the entrance fee to $14 but they had all the ammo vendors with separate lines one had to wait in.
one guy told me he spent 3.5 hrs waiting to get inside that morning sheesh.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by jonnyb

For The Win? LOL

Damn!

[jonnyb]

It's the Barrett M82A1 CQ with a Leapold Mark4 20X50 shooting a 660gr round.

[jonnyb]

Sorry another video, I was playing with the editing this morning

[mikeyg36]

Nice, is it yours?

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Mr pogo

I went to the Del Mar gunshow yesterday, not only did Crossroads of the West just about double the entrance fee to $14 but they had all the ammo vendors with separate lines one had to wait in.
one guy told me he spent 3.5 hrs waiting to get inside that morning sheesh.

After sitting in traffic for an hour and a half to get barely a mile, I said "F it". I heard things were still priced fairly high, and the lines and waits were just awful.

[jonnyb]

Yeah I bought it December, took away from my camaro budget though LOL

[Mr pogo]

Originally Posted by kalimus

After sitting in traffic for an hour and a half to get barely a mile, I said "F it". I heard things were still priced fairly high, and the lines and waits were just awful.

yes it was actually better to get there later.
I went with a bud who didnt get off work til 2pm, no lines to park and about 20 minute wait in the ticket line.
the ammo lines were bad tho, about 40ish people in line 15 min before closing.
and yes the ammo prices were ridiculously high.