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JANNETTYRACING · 09-25-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Davis

Ted I'll defer to your experience as you surely have more than I.

However it seems common sense that systems like New Era and Vararam are going to see much better results @ speed, going down the road/track.

No?

Google Ram air Myth.

I have 60 MPH winds in my Dyno that simulates on road conditions.

Ted.

rodimus prime · 09-25-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mercuryman96

Henessey's silence is certianly speaking volumes right now.

Along with New Era and Vararam...two companies that tooted the OTR was so much better. Wonder where they are?

Doc · 09-25-2009, 11:09 AM

Hennesey's already been beaten; I don't think he wants to throw himself under the bus here in such a high visibility thread. New Era's seems to have issues and if Ted's testing reveals that "officially" that would kill their sales so I'm sure they don't want to risk that. Vara may not have a production final quality piece ready yet. Vara's is the one I'd most like to see tested here too lol.

ORANGE U NV · 09-25-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Along with New Era and Vararam...two companies that tooted the OTR was so much better. Wonder where they are?

"shut up or put up" Show me so numbers on a stock car.....not one w/ a bunch of mods. We want to know what "your" CAI can do.

Thanks again for doing this Ted!

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 09-25-2009, 12:04 PM

I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

Verio · 09-25-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

JANNETTYRACING · 09-25-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

I don't know if your refering to me or not, if so, I don't see how, you Know, what I am thinking.

I am well aware of how the whole system works, I am very familiar with GM computer strategy.

I do have a plan on how to make this completely Fair, and will be reporting my findings.

If anyone does not want to participate, that is fine, consumers will draw they're own conclusions.

rodimus prime · 09-25-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Verio

So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

My car ran pig rich with the stock airbox. The Roto-fab almost made the tune perfect. I hardley picked up anything with the tune after the roto-fab install.

I think they tuned these motors in a controlled envorment with different or no intakes on them. There is no logical explination as to why a factory tune would be that rich and run normal after a CAI swap.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 09-25-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Verio

So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

So on one test it will give you a HP # that is not right and on the other unit it will give you a number that is high or lower that is what i said, And as for no one seeing this unit ther was 60 ppl at the SOCAL meet last month and maybe 40 more at LV meet that i go to now and then and all the ppl that look at my sig, You know the one that chevy high performance got of my car at that meet in Socal

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I don't know if your refering to me or not, if so, I don't see how, you Know, what I am thinking.

I am well aware of how the whole system works, I am very familiar with GM computer stradegy.

I do have a plan on how to make this completely Fair, and will be reporting my findings.

If anyone does not want to participate, that is fine, consumers will draw they're own conclusions.

I am not saying that, But how are you doing this test that all units have the same start on a OEM car, As you know if you lower the air pressure on the tires you lose HP if you over fill the tires you get more HP, So can we know how this test is to be done.

CGM2SSRS · 09-25-2009, 02:11 PM

Not that Ted needs anyone to substantiate his accomplishments of obtaining reliable speed, but I will say it's not likely someone is going to spring a technological surprise on him. He's been doin this shit longer then a lot of y'all been part of this thing called humanity. lol......No disrespect to anyone. Facts is facts.

Merc · 09-25-2009, 02:12 PM

So when can we except the #s from the test.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 09-25-2009, 02:15 PM

I called yesterday and i hope next week.

SMGSS · 09-25-2009, 03:22 PM

Were having a hard time keeping production up with orders, when do you plan on having this test? We can send one of our units in if we catch up. what will you be looking for? just power gains vs price? will you also be testing for IAT's? Any street or strip testing or all dyno?

JANNETTYRACING · 09-25-2009, 04:49 PM

Basic Plan.

Dyno and datalog Stock Car for solid baseline
Install said cold air kit with air temp sensor in pipe just before throttle body
Clear computer fuel trim values
Drive cycle to let long term fuel trims settle in
dyno until numbers stabalize
also record fuel trim values, timing values, HP Torque A/F ratio, and all weather info.
water and oil temps will be consistant throughout testing.
Hood will be closed for all testing

There are a lot more details but you get the Idea.

We will also be evaluating, Packaging, overall quality, fit and finish, ease of installation.

Pricing will not be brought in to this evaluation, Too many Products are sold on Price alone, which should be the last part of the decision process, not the first.

I am also open to any other suggestions.

09-25-2009, 11:09 AM	#143
Doc Dances With Mustangs Drives: 2010 1SS/RS MT Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 3,819 View My Garage	Hennesey's already been beaten; I don't think he wants to throw himself under the bus here in such a high visibility thread. New Era's seems to have issues and if Ted's testing reveals that "officially" that would kill their sales so I'm sure they don't want to risk that. Vara may not have a production final quality piece ready yet. Vara's is the one I'd most like to see tested here too lol. __________________ Blue Angel is here!! 1SS/RS LS3 M6 IBM

09-25-2009, 04:49 PM	#154
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,224	Basic Plan. Dyno and datalog Stock Car for solid baseline Install said cold air kit with air temp sensor in pipe just before throttle body Clear computer fuel trim values Drive cycle to let long term fuel trims settle in dyno until numbers stabalize also record fuel trim values, timing values, HP Torque A/F ratio, and all weather info. water and oil temps will be consistant throughout testing. Hood will be closed for all testing There are a lot more details but you get the Idea. We will also be evaluating, Packaging, overall quality, fit and finish, ease of installation. Pricing will not be brought in to this evaluation, Too many Products are sold on Price alone, which should be the last part of the decision process, not the first. I am also open to any other suggestions. __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com Last edited by JANNETTYRACING; 09-28-2009 at 10:18 AM.

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