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Old 05-01-2015, 05:16 PM   #57
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The ways of corporate America. Long Island NY used to be technology based, i.e. Grummann and Sperry to name 2. Now it's the land of, are you ready, Walmart and Target. And the highest cost of living in the country.

I'm an IT guy. I have been seeing my job first go to Singapore. When that became too expensive, it went to Pune India and Wroclaw Poland. I'm hoping to squeeze 2 more years before the door shuts.
I am not an IT guy, a chemical engineer at a firm that relies heavily on IT support. About 80% of our IT are in India and Poland. The only thing that keeps me employed is that the jobs we do requires an engineer with a PE license. Otherwise, I am sure my job would have been outsourced as well.
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I think this is to be some what expected with auto workers. Plants seem to be always on the move, it's not the stability it was 30+ years ago. The unions have helped put that in place by getting a little ridiculous hear and there (and this is coming from a union shop steward)
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I think this is to be some what expected with auto workers. Plants seem to be always on the move, it's not the stability it was 30+ years ago. The unions have helped put that in place by getting a little ridiculous hear and there (and this is coming from a union shop steward)
So do you think union are still necessary? There are good arguments on either side but it would be interesting coming from a union steward.

I am not in a union but chemical plant workers (I am chemical engineer) belong to unions. A bunch of great guys but some of the union work rules I find to be silly, they think so too and most of this has to do with inefficiency.
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I mean this sucks for those in Canada impacted, but the US government poured money into GM with the bailout and haven't recouped upwards of $12 billion despite GM profits of over $22 billion in the years since. The last GM can do is move their workforce base to the country that kept them afloat as a business. If it weren't for the US government those employees who are being laid off with severance packages would have been jobless without any compensation back then.

Sucks, but life sucks sometimes. Hope they are able to land on their feet like I was when I was laid off in 2010.
I agree with the other members........please don't post another thing until the information your posting is factual and accurate. Where exactly do u get your info from?
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I mean this sucks for those in Canada impacted, but the US government poured money into GM with the bailout and haven't recouped upwards of $12 billion despite GM profits of over $22 billion in the years since. The last GM can do is move their workforce base to the country that kept them afloat as a business. If it weren't for the US government those employees who are being laid off with severance packages would have been jobless without any compensation back then.

Sucks, but life sucks sometimes. Hope they are able to land on their feet like I was when I was laid off in 2010.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:42 PM   #62
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I agree with the other members........please don't post another thing until the information your posting is factual and accurate. Where exactly do u get your info from?
I found this.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1971354/os...cut-1000-jobs/
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That's sad. I hope they will get hired back to produce something else for GM.


And the founder was born in Switzerland and of French descent.
So , just because he was born I one country to parents from another country , what that has to do with what ?

By the same talking , what can you say about this new guy in the block
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I don't know what is really going on there..i was talking to a friend last weekend that I havnt seen in about 10yrs. He works for a demo company...he was telling me that the are dismantling walls and buildings ..and have been doing do for a few years now. He said the are tearing down some walls...all that's between them and the Camaros coming down the line is a temporary tarp hung up. Its been known for a while that the Camaro was leaving...I think people were hoping something else would be built there. Im guessing they are not telling the whole story.
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With the experience of buying two Camaros off of that line, I would not hesitate to buy another car made there.

Some of the other factories- I'd have my doubts.

Best of luck to the Oshawa team, and thanks for building one helluva car.
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^^^^ I'm sure I can speak for all my C5 Brothers and Sisters from north of the 49th parrel for all the hard work and the quality of the 5th Gen Camaro produced on the Oshawa line. I am as well dissapointed in some of the negative comments generated from this thread. I have been loyal to GM products since my teens and never gave it a thought whether it was build in the US or Canada as long as it was North American made.

I wish nothing but the best for all the workers that will be affected in Oshawa. The Oshawa fexline has produced world class vehicles and I would like to think there still is a bright future for it and it's workers.


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It's sad and we all go through it but GM should be helping them get jobs if not with GM somewhere else. Everyone will stand tall as we all do through any and everything. Thanx to all ! Hard work pays off , so they will be fine.
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So do you think union are still necessary? There are good arguments on either side but it would be interesting coming from a union steward.

I am not in a union but chemical plant workers (I am chemical engineer) belong to unions. A bunch of great guys but some of the union work rules I find to be silly, they think so too and most of this has to do with inefficiency.

Well the unions started as part of the communist movement.......it is a political interest organization so inefficiency is the game.

I see them back down all the time from things they shouldn't due to there own political reasonings out here with the casinos.

I see both sides to it. I see the need to "protect" workers from company's to a degree, but it seems you don't get much help unless you fall into a minority class. But they also need to run their cooperation as well.

People are waking up though and realizing the union has sold them down the river with their healthcare. I almost fell out of my chair laughing at one quarterly meeting when they said they messed up and where considering supporting republican candidates. The union dose a lot of stupid shit out here but I have also seen a lot of stupid crap the casinos tried to pull over shut down.
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Considering my family has owned 3 5th gens with zero problems, it saddens me that GM isn't going to immediately give the workers a new car to build. More than happy with the build quality from the Canadian plants, and would happily buy later model Camaro's in the future from the Canadian plant if they chose to go back.

It is the nature of manufacturing though, it is unfortunate, but I think everyone at that plant had to know this would happen.
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Lets hope that GM comes up with a plan to keep everyone employed!!!!! Come on GM step up to the plate an take care of our brothers and sisters that built these Awesome Gen5!!!!! If it wasn't for all the dedicated workers you wouldn't own one of these wonderful machines. Weather you Mod it or not, give thanks to those that built your pride an joy. You Guys Rock Eh!!!!!
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